Yeah, that book is really good. Bohm was one of the great ones. Luhmann may have been the first to seriously suggest/defend the idea that social systems are not just concepts but real ontological entities. Luhmann took Maturana/Verala's autopoieisis and extended that to social systems.
Which leads nicely into a question I've been meaning to ask... you're the only AI researcher I'm aware of (in the US anyway) that has talked about autopoieisis. I wonder what your thoughts are about it? To what extent has that influenced your philosphy? Not looking for an essay here, but I'd be interested in your brief reflections on it. Terren --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [agi] open or closed source for AGI project? To: [email protected] Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 10:43 AM Bohm: Yes ... a great book, though at the time I read it, I'd already encountered most of the same ideas elsewhere... Luhmann: nope, never encountered his work... ben On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Terren Suydam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Ben, I wonder if you've read Bohm's Thought as a System, or if you've been influenced by Niklas Luhmann on any level. Terren --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There is a sense in which social groups are "mindplexes": they have mind-ness on the collective level, as well as on the individual level. agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=114414975-3c8e69 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
