The process of changing the internal model does not belong to language
understanding.
Language understanding ends if the matching process is finished.
What if the matching process is not finished?
This is overly simplistic for several reasons since you're apparently
assuming that the matching process is crisp, unambiguous, and irreversible
(and ask Stephen Reed how well that works for TexAI).
It *must* be remembered that "the internal model" for natural language
includes such critically entwined and constantly changing information as
what this particular conversation is about, what the speaker knows, and what
the speakers motivations are. The meaning of sentences can change
tremendously based upon the currently held beliefs about these questions.
Suddenly realizing that the speaker is being sarcastic generally reverses
the meaning of statements. Suddenly realizing that the speaker is using an
analogy can open up tremendous vistas for interpretation and analysis. Look
at all the problems that people have parsing sentences.
Language
understanding can be strictly separated conceptually from creation and
manipulation of patterns as you can separate the process of communication
with the process of manipulating the database in a computer.
The reason why you can separate the process of communication with the
process of manipulating data in a computer is because *data* is crisp and
unambiguous. It is concrete and completely specified as I suggested in my
initial e-mail. The model is entirely known and the communication process
is entirely specified. None of these things are true of unstructured
knowledge.
Language understanding emphatically does not meet these requirements so your
analogy doesn't hold.
You can see it differently but then everything is only a discussion about
definitions.
No, and claiming that everything is just a discussion about definitions is a
strawman. Your analogies are not accurate and your model is incomplete.
You are focusing only on the tip of the iceberg (concrete language as spoken
by a two-year-old) and missing the essence of NLP.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. Matthias Heger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: AW: [agi] Words vs Concepts [ex Defining AGI]
The process of changing the internal model does not belong to language
understanding.
Language understanding ends if the matching process is finished. Language
understanding can be strictly separated conceptually from creation and
manipulation of patterns as you can separate the process of communication
with the process of manipulating the database in a computer.
You can see it differently but then everything is only a discussion about
definitions.
- Matthias
Mark Waser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Oktober 2008 19:00
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [agi] Words vs Concepts [ex Defining AGI]
There is no creation of new patterns and there is no intelligent
algorithm
which manipulates patterns. It is just translating, sending, receiving
and
retranslating.
This is what I disagree entirely with. If nothing else, humans are
constantly building and updating their mental model of what other people
believe and how they communicate it. Only in routine, pre-negotiated
conversations can language be entirely devoid of learning. Unless a
conversation is entirely concrete and based upon something like shared
physical experiences, it can't be any other way. You're only paying
attention to the absolutely simplest things that language does (i.e. the
tip
of the iceberg).
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