Thanks. II’ll get to it in a bit. Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 26, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Aidan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here is the dropbox link: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/l8dcwimwa69uvir/Sonority_1.4.4_Windows_Installer.zip?dl=0 > >> On 26/12/2017, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: >> Oh really? Cool. Can you send me the link for the download then please? >> >> >>> On 12/25/2017 4:05 PM, Aidan wrote: >>> Well, they mmade it now that if you don't have a key, you must just >>> connect your recorder and it will pick up its serial number wich will >>> serve as a vallit license thing as long as its connected. >>> >>>> On 25/12/2017, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Ah but here's the thing. Thatt's all good for those with a DM. But how >>>> would you get an activation key I wander? I mean for those of us with a >>>> DM fine just use your key on the sleve for your lost or messed up >>>> software CD. But the LSs come with nothing. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12/25/2017 3:22 PM, Aidan wrote: >>>>> That is why I'm glad its stil downloadable. >>>>> >>>>>> On 25/12/2017, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Ah Okay. Wander what the deal with that software is that they feel the >>>>>> LS >>>>>> recorders don’t need it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 25, 2017, at 6:59 AM, Aidan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, the sinority software is stil downloadable from olympus site, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I also have a dm7 wich comes with it. The dm7 is the new replacement >>>>>>> of the dm4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25/12/2017, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> How did you get the software? or did you have it from an earlyer DM >>>>>>>> recorder? The LSs for what ever reason don't come with that >>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>> Only the DM's do and the DSs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> did too. Yeah I knew the PTR2 woulda died off at some point. I like >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> said before was so pleasently surprised to see 1 once again in 2013. >>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>> only it didn't have the 6 gig limit for compact flash cards and the >>>>>>>> interface limits for the cards it would stil be good. There are such >>>>>>>> things as 128 gig compact flash cards. Then they also have some fast >>>>>>>> spead thing that Sound Devices recorders support. >>>>>>>>> On 12/24/2017 5:22 PM, Aidan wrote: >>>>>>>>> I just use the sinority software to sync the pc date and time on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> 14. >>>>>>>>> As for ptr2, I love that machine, but unfortunetly, plextalk really >>>>>>>>> have to keep up with times and they should think of supporting >>>>>>>>> newer >>>>>>>>> stuff as well. >>>>>>>>> Why don't they take the pocket for example and then make it able to >>>>>>>>> record on cd directly by means of a external USB dvd drive? >>>>>>>>> Everyone >>>>>>>>> have it or can obtain it. And pocket ptp1 is cheaper and stil >>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>> I fear that ptn2 can also go as the hardware is no longer available >>>>>>>>> for aph bookport models. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 24/12/2017, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Ah well I guess I write this too little too late. But, as far as >>>>>>>>>> accessibility goes you got the most accessible 1 at this point. >>>>>>>>>> Look >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> it this way. Do you use mikes with XLR? Do you need phantum power? >>>>>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>>>> you need those big thumb sized jacks that some 90s headphones had? >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> that electric guitars I guess still have? Will you produce music? >>>>>>>>>> Like >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> DR Drey? I ask all this as a long way to ask do you need something >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> a Zoom? Because if no then yeah sure you missed out on better >>>>>>>>>> quality, >>>>>>>>>> but meh you saved loads of cash. Just remember my earlier warning. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> recordings though real good and real crisp will sound little. If >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> sounding little doesn't bother you then actually you got the >>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>> accessibility wise. You can now set the clock and stuff on your >>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> this 1. On the 100 and even the 14 you would need a sighted person >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/24/2017 5:37 AM, Merv Keck wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I just ordered myself the LS P2 today. I was tempted to get the >>>>>>>>>>> LS >>>>>>>>>>> 100 >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> couldn't find anyone to satisfy my curiosity about its >>>>>>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> performance versus the LS P2. So I opted for the one that cost >>>>>>>>>>> less. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> hope to use it for both live voice and music recording though. >>>>>>>>>>> Merv >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tom, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I reaalise that it is difficult to keep pace with the >>>>>>>>>>> developments >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> technology but what we thought was fantastic technology 10 years >>>>>>>>>>> ago >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> now very ordinary. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For Olympus digital audio recorders, take a look at the following >>>>>>>>>>> web >>>>>>>>>>> page: >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.olympus.com.au/Products/Digital-Audio-Recorders/Business.aspx >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Under the heading "digital audio recorders" you will see the >>>>>>>>>>> various >>>>>>>>>>> categories of digital recorders. For example, under the heading >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> "business" you will see the DM-720 which is the current >>>>>>>>>>> equivalent >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> old recorder. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What is not obvious is that all of these recorders have the same >>>>>>>>>>> core >>>>>>>>>>> technology and just have different user interfaces to make them >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> usable for different classes of people. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is to say, user interfaces for the sound and field recorders >>>>>>>>>>> (the >>>>>>>>>>> LS >>>>>>>>>>> series) is designed for people making high fidelity recordings. >>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>> interfaces for notetaker devices or business devices are designed >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> dictation or recording meetings. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, a DM-720 business recorder will be good for dictation >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> meetings but, even though it has the digital technology to do so, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> not make it convenient to record live music. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By the way, if you take the time to look, the LS-100, LS-14, >>>>>>>>>>> LS-12 >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> LS-P2 are all shown as current models. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob Nelson >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>>>>>> Kaufman >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 9:22 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob and list: So this kind of brings me to the question I should >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> asked: what is the actual replacement for the Olympus DS-40 or >>>>>>>>>>> Olympus >>>>>>>>>>> DS-50? From what I've heard about the PS-2 (not sure I have that >>>>>>>>>>> right) >>>>>>>>>>> am sure it is a fine unit; it just might be a little more machine >>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> really need; hard to tell for sure at this point! >>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kaufman >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 5:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you look around, you can still find an LS-14. I purchased a >>>>>>>>>>> brand >>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>> one as recently as 6 weeks ago. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> However, you may find it cheaper and just as good, quality wise, >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> purchase an LS-P2. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The LS-P2 has the voice guidance for the menus and is, to all >>>>>>>>>>> intents >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> purposes, the replacement for the LS-14. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is, however, physically smaller than the LS-14 but it is >>>>>>>>>>> particularly >>>>>>>>>>> good for live recording. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob Nelson >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>>>> vinny >>>>>>>>>>> Samarco >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 24 December 2017 8:07 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Ls 14 is gone? Nuts! Isomeone sent me a Neal Ewers review of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> ls >>>>>>>>>>> 14, but I didn't know how old that was, as there was no date on >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> need a digital recorder which will be accessible for a piano cd. >>>>>>>>>>> My >>>>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>>> ptr2 plextor machine just died. >>>>>>>>>>> Vinny >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Aidan >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 8:03 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, the 14 don't have a compressor as far as I no, or at least >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>> you can adjust, only a limiter. But 100 have both limiter and >>>>>>>>>>> compressor. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/12/2017, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> As to the 14 being gone yeah I'm surprised too as it was being >>>>>>>>>>>> sold >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> the side arm as it were to the 100. Meh the 14 is the 1 you >>>>>>>>>>>> throw >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> ideas at you use to practise and what not. Then once it's time >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>> that project a reality and send it to mastering to make it loud >>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>> comes the LS 100 and you make your project and burn that sucker >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> CD. >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that's a cool feature that the 100 has that I think and I >>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>> think that only Sound Devices recorders have. I could be wrong >>>>>>>>>>>> though. >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh and that's another thing. The way the 14 does the over dub is >>>>>>>>>>>> better. >>>>>>>>>>>> I forget how the 100 does it but the 14 is better in that it >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> creates more and more wav files as you dub more and more. So if >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> mess up just get rid of the newest file. No throwing the whole >>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>> away and having to restart it all. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/2017 4:34 PM, Aidan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Intresting, I wasn't aware that ls14 is gone. I'm glad I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, don't forget there is hopefully stil the ls100 if its not >>>>>>>>>>>>> gone >>>>>>>>>>>>> either. Although I think they will hang on to it for longer as >>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>> their only multitrack option rite now. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/12/2017, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah yes then indeed the LS-P2 will do fine. I would also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recomend the now gone LS-14. But not sure how you could get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently Olympus doesn't sell it no more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2017 3:46 PM, Merv Keck wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am actually looking to replace my DS 50 which is about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fifteen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years old now and finally worn out. I really liked that model >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except for the hiss in the recording. I am hoping to find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with equal or better sound quality and equal accessibility. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2 has been recommended to me on multiple lists. I asked for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that was more than consumer level recording. Since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of my vision I lost access to all the really cool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multitrack options that I know of out there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kaufman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 3:39 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry; I meant to say DM720! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hamit Campos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:59 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's that the LS-P2? yes it's actually more so. You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set the date and time yourself. Olympus finally contracted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> british lady to say the numbers and things. I don't get why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idn't in the first place but oh well there it is. There's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DM720 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for consumers that is also as accessible. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2017 2:18 PM, Tom Kaufman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob and list: Is this particular recorder as accessible as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS-40 or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS0-50 used to be; maybe more so? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kaufman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 5:38 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best unit to replace your old recorder is LS-P2 which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read about on the page: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.olympus.com.au/Products/audio/Sound-(Music-Field)/LS-P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2/Ov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> erview >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list price is shown as $179 but I'm sure that if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around you will find it cheaper. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't let the hype on the web page fool you. This is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will easily fit in a shirt pocket and is, for the most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple to use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd better make that a shirt pocket with a button down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because unless you wrap the P2 in a tissue, it will slip out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you bend over. Better still, buy a Gutman wind screen for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the replacement for the LS-14 and, like the LS-14, has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voiced menus.Bob Nelson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Tom Kaufman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2017 6:50 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [all-audio] Looking For Equivalent to Olympus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS-40Recorder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello list: Well it would seem that I have lost my good ole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olympus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS040 digital recorder! I've looked all over in areas where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it might be! But alas, it just doesn't seem to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that this series of digital recorders don't exist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under DS-40 or DS-50! But what is Olympus making now that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent? I used this recorder mainly to record music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gigs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know it mainly is supposed to be a voice recorder) but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it doesn't do bad for recording live music! I also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this machine because of its size (small enough that I could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick it in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket) so assuming that I cannot locate the one I have, I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely love to find a good replacement for it; I'd even go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent to the DS-50 (which might be even better; also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to know where would be the best place to find one here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> U.S.A.? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kaufman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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