just very briefly... I think it's worth remembering that in addition to what mike flagged up about nn's input onto that list, a signioficant part of the nn/antiorp strategy is the use of spam tatics simply as a way of advertising the Max/Nato products that they/she sells....
As some market research suggests, the proliferation of maillist visibility is often the best way of advertising online. happy monday everyone :) jon >From: mike stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: <ambit> ONE MANS SPAM IS ANOTHER MANS IS ANOTHER MANS ROAST BEEF > for those recovering from post digital network hangovers >Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:34:21 +0000 > >morning > >sorry for dropping one and running >duty called.......... > >i Wouldnt want to be percieved as knocking ambit - i didnt actually >say the word > >but early this morning woke up and thought of a synthesis for what >made the Syndicate (my first proper list) good - why and when - and >maybe what ive wrote will be of some use to illys attempt to chart >the past...and for us all to move beyond netiquette > >in brief (before baby saskia wakes...) > >in the beginning (95ish): > >It was novel-and mind blowing >Immediate exchange of views seemed possible >Access to totally new views and opinions re: countries id never >heard of could not place on the map (ie: moldovia) >The pleasure in knowing someone is there (still sleeping saskia >reaches out to make sure Im still here) - not dissimilar to the >'phatic' - as eric put it >Conitinuation of discussions started face to face (in liverpool at >meeting illyanana initiated) >Opportunity to meet lots of interesting people > >in the middle: > >Information exchange >Knowledge of new artists projects (useful to me in my role at htba) >A space for promoting events and schemes (be they inidividual or >institutuional) >A place to be known and stake claim >A place to feel included for a change )privilidge >Hear personal diverse opinions > >at the end: > >Less intimacy >Overload with information >Less sense of knowing everyone >Overcrowding/shouting >Initial fascination with netotshka nezvanova phenonema >Perception of those in the know looking down >Dissapointment in polarisation of those fascinated and those >considering there time to be Wasted (lets not forget the bataille >quote from eric - "only experience that is not useful can be >supremely important to us") >Traffic overload >the desire to stick with it - and finally resign > >post partum: > >Minor grief at losing contact with friends and adversaries >As yet not joined spectre >Joined (been joined) ambit >Used netochka test on new film >Less time reading lest email - more time with saskia > >what i think i can draw from this and did not get the chance to >express yesterday that i want ambit to work by this i mean for it to: > >Have function and need-info/knowledge/skill share/discussion/trade >A place to investigate specialisms of practices >And like all social spaces to be accomodate disagreement and jokes >(its interesting to Compare media art list seriousness with general >office playfullness) - lets not be too dour eh ? >Somwhere to set up meetings and events >Maintain cultural contact across an inhospitable land >Make travel safer > >I suspect the authoritarian stand the moderators expressed quite >early inflamed those operating netochka into making the transition >between free generative poetry and spam - i watched closely , >language and the moderation of language is initself political - >despite utopian rhetorics of freedom >who gets to speak on behalf of who - who has the loudest voice / >biggest vocabulary > >Finally i would like to thank chris and illy for getting it this far >and also for those who put the conference together - at some point i >hope to repay the hospitaltiy in dundee - maybe an informal show and >tell event and new year drink late january at our (gina czarnecki and >saskia's) house in newport on tay over the river from dundee? > >best >mike > > >For those unfamiliar with syndicate or didnt attend yesterday - >syndicate was a list dedicated to discussions between >artists/activists sharing an interest in east/west relationships >spectre is a pheonix of that list operating with further netiquette >controls (as i understand it) >htba =hull time based arts >netochka nezvananova was something between individuals intervention >into the list and a generative software programme that re - wrote >emails off the list and returned to/spammed the list _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------------------------- a m b i t : networking media arts in scotland post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] info: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and write "info ambit" in the message body -------------------------------------------------
