...........but how many of us bought the product ? personally i liked the texts and refreshing approach to language and was intrigued by the episodes - i didnt consider it to be a form of advertising - (forgive me if this sounds knaive) i actualy found the texts profound in their poetry and playfullness - beauty is in the eye of the beholder
and then again its worth considering that perhaps those that were most resistant / damming were perhaps those with most at stake (controllers of major media festivals/busy academics) who indeed - did need to professionally command the ewaves - for their own festival/research (product) promotion fairly regularly an old friend sends me some 'lightweight' jokey political comment - if im trying to hit a deadline/stay focussed/be in control - the mail gets trashed, other times it might get read and raise a chuckle/bring something to my attention (remember the plight of women under taliban rule circulars 18 months ago) we all have to suffer this from time time - but in the gaps and jokes meaning often lies - it always makes me slighty prickly when people try and curtail dialogues for using inappropriate forms dosnt 'gossip' have a political history ? sorry for going on about this - i was pretty busy when it went off at the time on syndiacte and have an opportunity to unpack much of it best m >just very briefly... > >I think it's worth remembering that in addition to what mike flagged >up about nn's input onto that list, a signioficant part of the >nn/antiorp strategy is the use of spam tatics simply as a way of >advertising the Max/Nato products that they/she sells.... > >As some market research suggests, the proliferation of maillist >visibility is often the best way of advertising online. > >happy monday everyone :) > >jon > >>From: mike stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: <ambit> ONE MANS SPAM IS ANOTHER MANS IS ANOTHER MANS ROAST BEEF >> for those recovering from post digital network hangovers >>Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 11:34:21 +0000 >> >>morning >> >>sorry for dropping one and running >>duty called.......... >> >>i Wouldnt want to be percieved as knocking ambit - i didnt actually >>say the word >> >>but early this morning woke up and thought of a synthesis for what >>made the Syndicate (my first proper list) good - why and when - and >>maybe what ive wrote will be of some use to illys attempt to chart >>the past...and for us all to move beyond netiquette >> >>in brief (before baby saskia wakes...) >> >>in the beginning (95ish): >> >>It was novel-and mind blowing >>Immediate exchange of views seemed possible >>Access to totally new views and opinions re: countries id never >>heard of could not place on the map (ie: moldovia) >>The pleasure in knowing someone is there (still sleeping saskia >>reaches out to make sure Im still here) - not dissimilar to the >>'phatic' - as eric put it >>Conitinuation of discussions started face to face (in liverpool at >>meeting illyanana initiated) >>Opportunity to meet lots of interesting people >> >>in the middle: >> >>Information exchange >>Knowledge of new artists projects (useful to me in my role at htba) >>A space for promoting events and schemes (be they inidividual or >>institutuional) >>A place to be known and stake claim >>A place to feel included for a change )privilidge >>Hear personal diverse opinions >> >>at the end: >> >>Less intimacy >>Overload with information >>Less sense of knowing everyone >>Overcrowding/shouting >>Initial fascination with netotshka nezvanova phenonema >>Perception of those in the know looking down >>Dissapointment in polarisation of those fascinated and those >>considering there time to be Wasted (lets not forget the bataille >>quote from eric - "only experience that is not useful can be >>supremely important to us") >>Traffic overload >>the desire to stick with it - and finally resign >> >>post partum: >> >>Minor grief at losing contact with friends and adversaries >>As yet not joined spectre >>Joined (been joined) ambit >>Used netochka test on new film >>Less time reading lest email - more time with saskia >> >>what i think i can draw from this and did not get the chance to >>express yesterday that i want ambit to work by this i mean for it to: >> >>Have function and need-info/knowledge/skill share/discussion/trade >>A place to investigate specialisms of practices >>And like all social spaces to be accomodate disagreement and jokes >>(its interesting to Compare media art list seriousness with general >>office playfullness) - lets not be too dour eh ? >>Somwhere to set up meetings and events >>Maintain cultural contact across an inhospitable land >>Make travel safer >> >>I suspect the authoritarian stand the moderators expressed quite >>early inflamed those operating netochka into making the transition >>between free generative poetry and spam - i watched closely , >>language and the moderation of language is initself political - >>despite utopian rhetorics of freedom >>who gets to speak on behalf of who - who has the loudest voice / >>biggest vocabulary >> >>Finally i would like to thank chris and illy for getting it this far >>and also for those who put the conference together - at some point i >>hope to repay the hospitaltiy in dundee - maybe an informal show and >>tell event and new year drink late january at our (gina czarnecki and >>saskia's) house in newport on tay over the river from dundee? >> >>best >>mike >> >> >>For those unfamiliar with syndicate or didnt attend yesterday - >>syndicate was a list dedicated to discussions between >>artists/activists sharing an interest in east/west relationships >>spectre is a pheonix of that list operating with further netiquette >>controls (as i understand it) >>htba =hull time based arts >>netochka nezvananova was something between individuals intervention >>into the list and a generative software programme that re - wrote >>emails off the list and returned to/spammed the list > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >------------------------------------------------- >a m b i t : networking media arts in scotland >post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >info: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >and write "info ambit" in the message body >------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- a m b i t : networking media arts in scotland post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] info: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and write "info ambit" in the message body -------------------------------------------------
