just to clarify the point raised by adinda about the search engines...no-one has manually submitted the ambit list members names to a search engine. How this works is that the mailing list server owners will have submitted their site to the search engines. The ambit archive is an extension of their site and when the search engine sends out its spiders to scan through the text on each page it will have found the ambit pages and picked up the names of the list members.
Also, the main way to collect junk mail is to subscribe to various things online, not necessarily mailing lists, more downloads, etc, etc, the multitudes of stuff. I have a separate hotmail account that I use for subscribing now in an attempt to keep the crap out of my main mail but it's a tough one.
I agree with what others have said about the fallacy of privacy on the internet but I can also appreciate Adinda's shock at finding her name and address through a search engine. We are limited to the type of mailing list we can set up as ambit is unfunded, maybe at some point we'll be able to go to something where we have more control over the mechanics. In the meantime we're operating on a free service.
Bev
adinda van 't klooster wrote:
Well,
obviously some people know far better what technology or these kind of lists are all about... Obviously if someone with the means wants to know about you, they will find out. This is different, because for a website or in this case message to come up after doing a search at a search engine, someone has to have posted the site or database to the searchengine with certain keywords. This means the ambit list/database has been posted to some searcheniges with as keywords the names of the people writing to it. If I had known this I would not have included my address and phonenumber. I'm already flooded with junk mail, both through post and through email. If you want to talk about the bigger picture this is 1. a waste of trees and 2. it helps those who trade names and adresses for purely commercial purposes.
That aside, Ray Kurzweil in The Age of Spiritual Machines predicted that one of the most debated issues in the 21st century is going to be privacy. It's part of the technology debate. Adinda
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>Own a car, pay tax, use a credit card, go into town, use a loyalty card, use
>a cash machine, 'they' know what you are doing, where you are, who you are,
>what you like and what you do, IF 'they' could be bothered to find out at
>all that is,
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>- its naive to think otherwise.
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>If you want to disengage from the surveillance society, use cash only, don't
>pay tax, walk or cycle, use aliases and above all don't use new media and
>digital technology.
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>Paranoia is another form of conceit; I think - what makes you think you are
>so important that people care about your address and phone number anyway?
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>Anyone want to talk about anything more important like war, famine and
>disease?
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>From: Beverley Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:48:12 -0800
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re:ambit public or private?
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>this may be an unchangeable function (the web based archive) of the free
>mailing list server ambit is running off. I'm not sure but will speak to
>chris about it. Probably won't be an immediate response to this issue as I
>think he's either away or submerged in work this week.
>
>In the meantime if people don't want their personal details going to the
>archive I suggest stripping your signature files from mails sent to ambit.
>
>Bev
>
>adinda van 't klooster wrote:
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>I am confrontational too.
>
>But aside from that I would like to make everyone aware that this ambit list
>and everything you write to it is available to anyone online. Last weekend
>whilst teaching dreamweaver at GMAC and explaining the nature of
>search-engines, I did a search in myself to illustrate the process, and one
>of my messages to the list came up, with my address and phonenumber on it.
>This is not on as far as I'm concerned! Whenever I put my stuff online, I
>never include my address and phonenumber, just in personal messages to
>people who might like to get in touch. I consider this list as something
>personal, (or maybe I should say semi-personal) defenitely not public in the
>sense that I want my personal details to be available to anyone that does a
>search on my name online!
>
>List-administrators (can't think of a better word), can you please get this
>sorted?
>
>Adinda
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