Couldn't I call myself an ambitite? it'll sound better when I get ambititis...sorry still lurking...trying to keep with real life let alone the virtual one...I'm ambitous about ambit, my fellow ambitites/ambiters...now about famine...
Lindsay Beverley Hood wrote: > dear adinda and ambiters, > > just to clarify the point raised by adinda about the search > engines...no-one has manually submitted the ambit list members names > to a search engine. How this works is that the mailing list server > owners will have submitted their site to the search engines. The ambit > archive is an extension of their site and when the search engine sends > out its spiders to scan through the text on each page it will have > found the ambit pages and picked up the names of the list members. > > Also, the main way to collect junk mail is to subscribe to various > things online, not necessarily mailing lists, more downloads, etc, > etc, the multitudes of stuff. I have a separate hotmail account that I > use for subscribing now in an attempt to keep the crap out of my main > mail but it's a tough one. > > I agree with what others have said about the fallacy of privacy on the > internet but I can also appreciate Adinda's shock at finding her name > and address through a search engine. We are limited to the type of > mailing list we can set up as ambit is unfunded, maybe at some point > we'll be able to go to something where we have more control over the > mechanics. In the meantime we're operating on a free service. > > Bev > > adinda van 't klooster wrote: > >> >> >> Well, >> >> obviously some people know far better what technology or these kind >> of lists are all about... Obviously if someone with the means wants >> to know about you, they will find out. This is different, because >> for a website or in this case message to come up after doing a >> search at a search engine, someone has to have posted the site or >> database to the searchengine with certain keywords. This means the >> ambit list/database has been posted to some searcheniges with as >> keywords the names of the people writing to it. If I had known this >> I would not have included my address and phonenumber. I'm already >> flooded with junk mail, both through post and through email. If you >> want to talk about the bigger picture this is 1. a waste of trees >> and 2. it helps those who trade names and adresses for purely >> commercial purposes. >> >> That aside, Ray Kurzweil in The Age of Spiritual Machines predicted >> that one of the most debated issues in the 21st century is going to >> be privacy. It's part of the technology debate. Adinda >> >> >> >From: simon fildes & katrina mcpherson >Reply-To: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: ambit public or private? >> >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:49:54 +0000 >> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >Received: from [209.150.128.179] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >> MHotMailBDD87CD200054004370ED19680B311EA0; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:52:50 >> -0800 >> >Received: (from majordomo@localhost)by majordomo2.host4u.net >> (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fB68pCJ04051for ambit-list.libera; Thu, 6 Dec >> 2001 02:51:12 -0600 >> >Received: from libera.host4u.net (libera.host4u.net >> [216.71.64.60])by majordomo2.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP >> id fB68pBB04048for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 02:51:11 -0600 >> >Received: from sand3.global.net.uk (sand3.global.net.uk >> [195.147.246.249])by libera.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id >> fB68m0W15319for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 02:48:00 -0600 >> >Received: from [195.147.149.117] (helo=[195.147.149.117])by >> sand3.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1)id 16BuF9-00062r-00for >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:51:00 +0000 >> >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:53:33 -0800 >> >User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 >> >Message-ID: >> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Precedence: bulk >> > >> >Own a car, pay tax, use a credit card, go into town, use a loyalty >> card, use >> >a cash machine, 'they' know what you are doing, where you are, who >> you are, >> >what you like and what you do, IF 'they' could be bothered to find >> out at >> >all that is, >> > >> >- its naive to think otherwise. >> > >> >If you want to disengage from the surveillance society, use cash >> only, don't >> >pay tax, walk or cycle, use aliases and above all don't use new >> media and >> >digital technology. >> > >> >Paranoia is another form of conceit; I think - what makes you think >> you are >> >so important that people care about your address and phone number >> anyway? >> > >> >Anyone want to talk about anything more important like war, famine >> and >> >disease? >> > >> > >> >our details below.......... drop by if you fancy a cup of tea and a >> blether. >> > >> > >> >Simon >> > >> > >> > >> >****************************************************** >> > >> >Simon Fildes & Katrina McPherson >> >Greystones >> >Main Street >> >Newtonmore >> >Highland Region >> >PH20 1DR >> > >> >01540670002 >> >01540673796 >> > >> >07779106593 >> >07798563799 >> > >> > >> > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> >http://www.left-luggage.co.uk >> > >> >************************************************** >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >From: Beverley Hood >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 09:48:12 -0800 >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >Subject: Re: ambit public or private? >> > >> > >> >this may be an unchangeable function (the web based archive) of the >> free >> >mailing list server ambit is running off. I'm not sure but will >> speak to >> >chris about it. Probably won't be an immediate response to this >> issue as I >> >think he's either away or submerged in work this week. >> > >> >In the meantime if people don't want their personal details going >> to the >> >archive I suggest stripping your signature files from mails sent to >> ambit. >> > >> >Bev >> > >> >adinda van 't klooster wrote: >> > >> > >> >I am confrontational too. >> > >> >But aside from that I would like to make everyone aware that this >> ambit list >> >and everything you write to it is available to anyone online. Last >> weekend >> >whilst teaching dreamweaver at GMAC and explaining the nature of >> >search-engines, I did a search in myself to illustrate the process, >> and one >> >of my messages to the list came up, with my address and phonenumber >> on it. >> >This is not on as far as I'm concerned! Whenever I put my stuff >> online, I >> >never include my address and phonenumber, just in personal messages >> to >> >people who might like to get in touch. I consider this list as >> something >> >personal, (or maybe I should say semi-personal) defenitely not >> public in the >> >sense that I want my personal details to be available to anyone >> that does a >> >search on my name online! >> > >> >List-administrators (can't think of a better word), can you please >> get this >> >sorted? >> > >> >Adinda >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> > >> >------------------------------------------------- a m b i t : >> networking >> >media arts in scotland post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] info: send email >> to >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and write "info ambit" in the message body >> >------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> ------------------------------------------------- a m b i t : >> networking media arts in scotland post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] info: >> send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and write "info ambit" in the >> message body ------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------- a m b i t : networking media arts in scotland post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] info: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and write "info ambit" in the message body -------------------------------------------------
