2007/1/30, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I like the idea, but I don't like the fact that we would loose the inline > spaces info, it was a good feature and > I'm sure (even the poll says so) that many people will like that better. > I wanted to talk with you on msn about this to make sure I'm not saying > things wrong, but I'll try to give my 2 > cents here and now.
I still think the inline spaces info has it's pros, and it looks nice too. But, I only thought about 1 think for that design and that was the spaces info; I forgot to see it in a bigger whole. (the idea could be reused in some plugin) Now I took a view on all "user related info and settings" and tried to integrate it to make it all overseeable, easy and WLM-like for a novice user and powerfull and still clutter-less for an advanced user. > I think the ccard mockup you put was great and I like it like that, but as a > ccard, nothing more. I agree that > there are too many informational windows, but I don't think too many is bad, > too little or too exploded is bad, > if it's the same info, shown differently, it's ok. the ccard should have : > nick,psm,,dp,blog info. No need for more info. Shouldn't the ccard be the window that shows the info you can show about that user, instead of only beaing a place to find blogposts/photos? So, if aMSN has more advanced info, show that info for more advanced users in that spot ? > in the mockup, you left the two arrows to 'switch ccard'. I always thought > the idea of 'switching the ccard' was > stupid and I would have voted to remove it and leave just a single window, > not a double sided window. I don't > know if you'd like this idea but I'll tell anyway, how about all those > 'extra' informations be put in the > reverse side of the ccard, like the phone numbers, last login, last message, > client id, etc.. > that's optional, it can be left out, but I'm just trying to follow your idea > of "all the info in the same > place". The switch buttons where a mistake, they should be removed :). I started this mockup from teh old ccards and forgot to remove 'm. > My opinion is that the properties window should NOT disappear, it's a nice > window with many useful information > about a user, and with its multiple tabs we can get access to the alarm > settings, previous DPs and customize the > user, nickname/psm/color/dp some advanced otpions, move him from groups, > etc.. it's useful I think. If we have a window to show nickname/psm, why not having an option there to tweak the settings about it ? Same for DP ...? > My original idea, and I just found out that WLM does kind of the same (a bit > differently though). > My idea was to have the ccard as ou had it in the 'std' mockup, and have, > instead of the 'advanced' button you > had, have a "Edit contact" which would open the properties window. > I think, with NWM's mockup, a "More info" button would also be suitable. > In WLM, it's acutally a pencil icon and only in the reverse side of the > ccard, and it's tooltip says "edit this > contact's information" which opens up some kind of properties window, where > you can enter > name/address/phones/nickname/website/birthdays/etc.. and a 'notes' tab :s You can only change *this socio-demographic data* in WLM, right ? We have more info to put on a ccard, so why put it in another window ? If you want the properties screen to be the "edit contact" screen, you shouldn't use it to display other data too because then it's more then an "edit contact" screen. (joke: It's like a filemanager that's also a webbrowser, those tasks are better split ;) ) > > So this is my 2 cents. a button to open the properties window is good, the > 'advanced' idea is also good but I > wouldn't want to put too much info in that single window. Well, you would put it in teh properties window ... so you want it in 1 window. If you find the ccard a bit too small, it could be made a (little !) bit bigger by default but we shouldn't overwhelm new users with all teh advanced options IMO. Eventually we can have an option to make the ccards I propose always expanded for power users ... Just ideas! Karel. PS: what I write is my opinion, it's not *the preferable way* maybe > > > KaKaRoTo > > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:57:46PM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote: > > 2007/1/30, Cristofaro Del Prete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > My 0.02: > > > > > > Karel Demeyer ha scritto: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I'm working on a UI proposal for the ccard's/properties window. > > > > Firstly I want to make some things clear: > > > > * this proposal gets rid of "inline" ccards, they were (imo) a nice > > > > idea UI-wise to show the data but we have more data to show and we > > > > should make it all a bit more clear and easier. > > > > * this proposal mostly works like the way youness implemented the > > > > ccards but tries to make the ccards more in a general "user properties > > > > screen" > > > > > > > > So, what do I propose: When a buddy icon is clicked, a ccard pops up, > > > > where it should pop up should be thought about as it is important > > > > interface-wise. A mockup for this ccard is in attachement. This > > > > ccard already shows a bit more data then WLM's; it shows the email > > > > addres, a button to change notes, a button to change alarms, an > > > > "advanced" button .... > > > > like we have now in the properties screen, everything on this ccard > > > > should have a right-click menu where one can choose "copy to > > > > clipboard". For the nickname, psm and display picture, there should > > > > be a "options" menu-item, clicking this opens another window where > > > > onne can set custom DPs, or custom nicknames, custom color of a > > > > nickname etc... > > > > > > > > Clicking the advanced button makes the window in what I have in my > > > > other mockup. Firstly, it adds 3 "edit" buttons, one after nickname, > > > > psm, and one hovered on a corner op the dp. Clicking those buttons > > > > does the same as rightclicking the items and choosing "options". > > > > Another thing that happens when you click the "advanced" button (the > > > > button should stay pressed then), is the window growing bigger. The > > > > window should then show firstly some extra data of the user, and then > > > > allow for some other settings that are special for that user. This > > > > extra space will probably be a TK frame so it won't have that nice > > > > background, but that's not such a problem. I didn't add all options > > > > on my mockup, but you can check our properties window now to see what > > > > is needed. > > > > > > I don't think the contact card should be used to show advanced infos, or > > > to edit settings. I think it would be better to just have a > > > "preferences" button, in the left-bottom corner of the ccard, that would > > > open the user properties windows. > > > This way there would be fast access to the advanced info (they are in > > > the first tab), as well as *all* the user settings, instead of just few > > > of them. > > The thing that I try is to put all the settings there in teh expanded > > ccard so we won't need a properties screen anymore. Everyhting should > > be on teh ccard or a window openened with a button on the expanded > > ccard. > > > > > > > > > Why do I propose this ? Well, we have to much different ways to show > > > > user data: I wanted to add inline spaces data (ok, my bad), we will > > > > have ccards, we have a properties window and we have a tooltip... this > > > > should be reduced imo. I think the tooltip has too much information > > > > right now. It should have dp/nick/psm/music and not more I guess. > > > > > > I'd also add the contact status, because, when using the small display > > > pictures in place of the contact icon, it can be difficult to see if a > > > contact is online or offline. > > Well, overlaying a status-icon on the ccard's DP should do this. But > > this should also be fixed in teh new CL. sthe status icons should be > > overlayed on the buddy icon, so when the buddyicon is changed into a > > dp, there should still be a status emblem. > > > > > > > About this proposal, nick/psm are truncated but they should have a > > > > tooltip with the full string. > > > > > > > > My question now: what's your opinion about this ? What would you like > > > > differently ? ... > > > > > > > > Karel. > > > > > > > > PS: I don't have much time now but I did this as a spare time project > > > > between my study-hours; If I don't respond to e-mail quickly, it > > > > doesn't mean I'm not interested in your replies thus. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > > your > > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Amsn-devel mailing list > > > Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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