Hi,
this mail is about the OIM system and stats...
First, OIMs. We all agree that TclSOAP isn't good at all currently...
But using http isn't as easy as Youness said because in fact we won't
use it... (Yeah that's bad I know) Because Http extension can't use
SOCKS proxies... So we will need to implement several things based on
the authentication way...
Second, about the stats... Youness decided to publish them here... Great
but the main aim wasn't to keep it secret... I just missed of time to
implement it in the new website and in addition, the stats weren't valid
in the first days... Now, they seem to be stable...
Anyway one trouble remains, the sorting of all these skins/plugins...
How can we achieve an efficient sorting. I mean that if we sort plugins
by downloads it will make these more downloaded and good unknown skins
will never be at the top...
If someone has an idea...
Phil

Youness Alaoui a écrit :
> Hello all,
> first I'll talk about the next release (0.97) then I'll give you some stats 
> that we get from our website, thanks 
> to lePhilousophe! 
> so.. what about the next release ? huh ?  well, it's taking too much time.. 
> at the speed we're at, it will take 
> a really long time before we get it out, although we're "almost" there.. the 
> original deadline was april 1st, 
> then I made it march 1st seeing how fast development was, then it stalled.. 
> so I hope we still get amsn out for 
> april 1st, ok ? so what's left for us ?
> well, here's the latest TODO list for the next release :
> New Complete 0.97 TODO :
> - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637) (billiob/lephilousophe)
>  (make it work behind proxies)[1;5F
> - Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob)
> - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto)
>  (make it work behind proxies)
> - Finish the new Skin
> - Add option to order contacts by status or not in the CL
> - Complete the new login_screen feature (task # 136722) (bluetit)
> 
> 
> I want to talk about each one of them one by one.. first :
> - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637) (billiob/lephilousophe)
>  (make it work behind proxies)
> So far, the OIM support seems to be COMPLETE, although the use of tclsoap 
> makes it very very slow, so I wonder 
> if we should replace tclsoap with using the http command directly, because we 
> use NOTHING from tclsoap, lol, we 
> generate the whole xml ourself, and we parse the whole response ourself, so.. 
> it's useless apart from adding an 
> incredibly huge overhead AND preventing us from adding proxy support..
> so yes, the second point is that even if it's complete, we still don't have 
> support for proxies because it seems 
> almost impossible to do with tclsoap.. 
> so the question is :
> 1 - we keep it as is, screw the proxy people, and screw those who think that 
> the pc freezing for a few minutes 
> is a big deal
> 2 - rewrtie it, replacing 'tclsoap:;create' by 'http::geturl' ? 
> 
> - Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob)
> This seems to be finished and working pretty well! congrats on billiob! now 
> the thing is that we'll have to 
> integrate it with the prefs window, right now, it's in the chat 
> window->edit->edit a/v settings, but the old 
> webcam wizard is stil lin the prefs->other->configure webcam.
> we couldn't replace it because that configure webcam still ha sinfo about 
> whether you're firewalled or not, 
> etc.. so we could either  :
> 1 - replace the 'configure webcam' by the a/v settings and leave the firewall 
> thing elsewhere
> 3 - leve the 'configure webcam' but change the webcam wizard (through the 
> button 'change webcam settings') by 
> the assistant
> 2 - add a new step for network capabilities in the assistant and replace the 
> whole configure webcam button.
> 
> 
> - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto)
>  (make it work behind proxies)
> well well.. this seems to be completely stalled.. so .. what do we want to do 
> now  :
> 1- drop the feature
> 2 - complete it 
> 3- leave it half-way done 
> 4 - make it 'usable' but not 'wow it's great' 
> 
> 
> - Finish the new Skin
> humm.. it looks good so far ? I suppose Gus has kept all the comments in his 
> own TODO list, so I don't know how 
> far we're away from completing the new skin.. for now, let's try and make it 
> 'look nice', I like it very much 
> the way it is right now, apart from the colors/bg and when the status (away) 
> is in grey and the bg behind it 
> grey, you can't see the status of a user, etc... so maybe just work on that.. 
> So, could Gus or Lee give us a status report on this please ? thanks
> 
> 
> - Add option to order contacts by status or not in the CL
> this is already done, we only need to add a one liner :checkbutton $w 
> -variable [::config::getvar 
> orderuserbystatus]
> the questionis WHERE TO PUT IT? advanced pref? the 'view' menu ? where ? 
> 
> - Complete the new login_screen feature (task # 136722) (bluetit)
> 
> yeay!! it looks almost complete, a few small issues, especially the 'forget 
> me' and the placing of the elements, 
> depending on the size of the main window, it's great work so far, let's hope 
> it gets finished soon! 
> 
> 
> 
> In other words, I see that we almost finished, if we all take a few minutes 
> someday and try to work on the TODO 
> stuff instead of working on non-TODO related things (or watching tv :p) thenw 
> e could be able to get 0.97 out 
> really soon! so what do you suggest guys (+viv:p) ? I asked a few 
> questions/options for some todo items above, 
> could everyone try to give their opinions on those things ? this way we can 
> sort out the TODO list and make it 
> smaller until we get 0.97 in a usable state.. 
> thanks all for reading this! 
> 
> Now, my second part of my mail (smaller this time, don't worry :p) is that, a 
> couple of days ago (maybe a week 
> ago?) Phil modified the website and added statistics to every file downloaded 
> by the user, so now, we have a 
> count on how many downloads we got per plugin and per skin and per 
> screenshot.. the results are quite 
> interesting, but to access the stats, you need to have admin access to the 
> website, so I thought it would be 
> nice to share this information to you guys too..
> ok, I just checked amsn-commits and Phil added the feat on March 5th, so it's 
> been exactly a week.. so one week 
> of stats, give us this :
> 
> <snip>
> 
> So congrats to the skin developers and plugin developers who scored top10 :) 
> 
> that's all for today!
> 
> p.s.: if you reply to this mail, don't just say 'wow, cool stats', at least 
> time the time to answer my questions 
> about the  TODO! 
> 
> KaKaRoTo


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