lol Tom... is to be expected...
Anyway... Your "opinion" is always welcome :P
In other hand, i vote to use Lee works on aMSN Default Skin...It is
simple, clean and like Devs like it , and with a more realistic
Touch......
Cheers...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
Okay kakaroto, I agree with some of your points, but don't
agree that emerald is nicer.... imo emerald has too many chunky bits,
removes the shineof crystal but still uses those bilinear gradients
which looks ugly.... etc etc. This is a clean attempt and looks good,
but does need improvements... I'll paste mine and Lee's chat below...
(I'm not trying to say all users who like emerald are stupid and I'm
not attacking Gus, I'm just saying what I think... this skin is
different from all that have come before I think.. it's CLEAN dammit
(for the most part anyway))
[23:57:05] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : hey, thats pretty clean :)
[23:57:11] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : not too heavy on the crystal
but nice
[23:57:23] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : suggestions:
[23:57:38] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : * different scrollbar, that
one looks bad, it isnt subtle etc
[23:57:44] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : (i know its from way back)
[23:58:31] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : * the chat buttons look nice
grey and then highlighted blue, but it looks like they're disabled...
maybe make the button grey but still have the actual icon colour (maybe
washed out a bit, say 50% opacity)
[23:59:06] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : * mail icon doesn't seem to
fit in, maybye something white
[23:59:17] Bæåst : yes, perhaps that would work... they were just
getting too bright full color and the colors didn't all go well enough
together
[23:59:23] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : yeah
[23:59:37] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : btw, i really like the
expand/contract arrows
[23:59:48] Bæåst : yes, that is the "mail in inbox" icon
[23:59:53] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : i think for the combobox you
should just use a plain triangle though, i think they always look crap
with a bg
[23:59:58] Bæåst : default is white
[00:00:02] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : ah right
[00:00:10] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : maybe just add a star to the
envelope then?
[00:00:53] Bæåst : i tried... that didn't look so good... the envelope
is just too small, i could try again another time
[00:00:57] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : hmm, okay
[00:01:07] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : love the chat bar bg at top
where other users nick is
[00:01:13] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : really nice, good job!
[00:01:24] Bæåst : :)
[00:01:32] Bæåst : white scrollbar instead?
[00:01:43] Bæåst : is that what you're hinting towards?
[00:01:55] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : try scrollbar in style of the
send message button, yes :)
[00:01:57] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : not crystal
[00:02:07] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : or if ti is crystal, in the
style of the top bar in the chatwindow
[00:02:15] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : or even the tabs :)
[00:02:56] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : two other things - dp
background pixmap on cl looks odd... maybe try it square and same
thickness all the way round?
[00:03:06] Hobbes - 19 tomorrow :( old : and maybe leave a ~2px gap
between chat tabs
On 28/03/07, Youness Alaoui <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ok,
now my comments...
1 - the skin looks nicer now, much more simple!
the CL :
2 - the CL top is still white which is too different from the low CL...
3 - the 'new mail' icon has a somehwat different style, no? could be
only me..
4 - the buddy icons skin color is too different, looks nice, maybe only
need to get used to it, but is it
necessary to have skin there ?
5- the expand (not collapse) group button doesn't look too good because
the arrow is not centered..
6 - the box around the group's name is a bit non centered too, too much
space below and not enough above... but
I like it 'slim'..
7 - the dp frame in the top CL doesn't give the right feeling because
you already have white padding in your own
DP, so maybe show us what it looks like with the defaut aMSN DP (which
is another pixmap we'd like to see)
8 - the 'spaces' star is maybe too big (even in emerald)
9 - the star in vivia's nick is weird, I guess you have your own smiley
set, we'd like to see that, I think we
should keep one smiley set (the current one) and not change it, people
hate changes (especially for the smileys
that we're all so used to see)
10 - the grey status isn't contrasted enough with the bg.. it's hard to
read (a little)
11 - would be nice to have a VERY light, kind of like a watermark, icon
of aMSN in the BG of the CL
the CW :
12 - I don't like it that much..
13 - humm.. looks like your DP has a very small padding, I thought it
was bigger.. so it means the fram on the
Cl is really with such a big padding? then it doesn't look good as it
is..
14 - the paddings everywhere (status bar, buttonbar, etc..) is too big,
I hate it and I don't understand why
almost all skins use big padding there, I like it when it's pad=0 or
pad=2 maybe..
15 - the tabs are too big, make them smaller please
16 - I like the arrow on the selected tab, it changes from the way it
is now... but maybe make the arrow more
noticeable.. or even do it like windows tabbar, have a 'sunken' relief
or something.. but arrow is good!
17 - the buttonbar's buttons are black/white.. I don't know if I like
that or not.. with the bg amd tabs, it
makes too much grey in the window I think
18 - nice on the coloring of the buttons when hovered...
19 - the arrow for the show/hide dp looks like the group
collapse/expand, but I don't like it too much, i think
a vertical bar is better than a one small button..
That's it for now, maybe more to come.. thanks for the screenshots and
the effort..
now concerning your skin as being default or sipped by default, I don't
know, I still prefer emerald2, and I
think most people prefer emerald2.. emerald was chosen as the new
default not because 'we wanted a change' but
because many users in the forums suggested it and wanted it to be
default..
we already changed to emerald2 and people like it and we'd better stick
with it. also I prefer how it is, it's
still simple but nice looking, now that we removed the crystal/shiny
look, it's even better.. So I'm pretty sure
we'll keep emerald2 as the new default..
About shipping your skin, I don't know either, as I said before (was it
to you?) i don't mind shipping it with
amsn, but I don't see what makes your skin 'more special' than all the
other skins that users contributed.. it's
good, although not my 'style', but there are other good skins out
there..
so.. the skin is good, I wouldn't persoanlly use it, but others will
for sure, I wouldn't vote for it as the new
default (replacing emerald2.. if emerald wasnt' there, I may have voted
for it)... and for shipping it or not,
as Is aid, I really don't mind, but what others think ? It will depend
on the general decision I think..
thank you for your work:)
KaKaRoTo
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:37:00PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm forwarding this email from Lee, he sent it 3 times to the ML
but it keeps getting bounced because of DNS
> errors from SF or something..
> so read.. and reply!
>
> KKRT
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references;
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b=IrJLruGdh9+KIuBJNAfSPwV5wAm4uMo9OQIXoJBv33xpV+fxZY4F+JuoATukTHK0rrID+KT5qUNPyq/3if6V87kDIWUUCykAGza9a3SUqEWBUCku2tEN9bbRlhziyD8jcGDG2KaTIXXWWkfTG+pr8tBQx0zZR+qxzwFcDXf5q/4=
> From: Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Youness Alaoui <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Fwd: new skin preview
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mar 27, 2007 10:46 AM
> Subject: new skin preview
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been busy working on a new skin and I would like to get some
feedback
> concerning it. I've provided 3 links for you below so that you
can comment
> on each one. This feedback is very important to me, as it will
determine
> the direction that we move towards for the new default skin. I am
torn
> between which skin we should use as the default, as the original
idea was to
> take the emerald skin and modify it a bit to make it more
appealing for
> everyone, but my version of this skin has taken a somewhat
different
> approach (as seen in the screenshots below), and I'm afraid that
it is
> possibly too different from the emerald skin, so I'm really
looking for
> suggestions on how to proceed. Shall I continue to finish this
skin that
> I'm working on, or shall we wait for Gus to finish his emerald2
skin and see
> the changes once he commits them to the default skin in
svn? Shall we ship
> both emerald2 + this skin that I've been working on?
>
> These screenshots each show something different.
>
> #1 shows the contact list + chat window, contact list shows the
slight
> difference between the emerald2 buddy icon and the modified
emerald2 buddy
> (green buddy vs. green buddy with skin color).
> #2 shows the contact list + chat window, contact list shows user's
display
> pics.
> #3 shows chat window with active button hover effect.
>
> #1:
http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amsnclcw2mc9.png
> #2: http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amsnclcwwo8.png
> #3:
http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amsncwwd0.png
>
> Please let me know your comments, suggestions, and criticisms.
Thanks!
>
> ~Lee
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
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