Hi all,

(first paragraph is to youness:)
Long mails are very discouraging (is this english ?), especially if
they start with "I fully disagree with Karel.".  Further on, after
reading your mail (I read it!), I found out you don't "disagree" for
100% with what I said... so I was asking myself if you did read my
whole mail and secondly, if you really thought a bit of it before
responding.
(not meant harsh in any way)


Probably I'm gonna leave this debate alone as I don't see myself
arguing a month or two to see (afterwards) it didn't have much effect.
 Some points though:

* I also proposed FT's to be listed in the chatwindow of the
corresponding chat, without being in the chat history (so they don't
scroll).  Seems logical, right ?  You seem to do the same with your
bar.  I even thought about that bar too.  But then I opened a chat
window, made some drawings and saw we, most of the time, have a lot of
"screen real estate" free (kind of wasted)underneath the contact's DP,
on the right of the chat history.  That's why I proposed to have this
information over there.  It's debatable if this is the right place or
not as it seems easier to fit all this info in horizontal lines.  two
lines per file traffic didn't seem too much anyway.

* You say I'm crazy about the CL and want everything inside of it ?
The main purpose of  amsn's main window might be listing contacts, but
it's also from there on you change your
status/nickname/preferences/plugin settings.   There's  an event log
(if chosen) underneath the CL (CL not being the window but the
widget).  I proposed to have the file transfer "manager" show up
underneath it in one of my designs.  This is not in the CL thus.  If
you want to remove clutter by not having a new window.  In what window
would you list "fts of multiple users".  In a window where only in 1
setting all active chats are going on or the window that lists all
contacts, so all of those who are sending ?

* Is a "ft manager" needed after all ? (because of this question I
proposed the FT in the chatwindow but not in the chat history).  How
many FT's do you think an ordinary aMSN user does at the same time ?
Do we need an overview of all the FT's going on ? or is the user able
to know which FT's he/she has going on (because they are not so many)
and only needs to know about that FT's status when in an active chat
with the contact he's sending to or receiving from ?  -> next point

* I think (you not I guess) an ordinary (a)MSN user watches the status
of an FT while in a chat with that specific user.  To see how much
longer it will take before he can end the conversation for example.
That's why I think it should at all time be possible to have a
conversation open with a user on screen and the file transfer with
that user at the same time.  This is not possible if you put the ft in
another tab of the chatwindow.

Anyway; I'm not sure if this is worth it at the end but it might make
you think a bit more about it (not meant harsh, like "you didn't think
about it" (but, did you ? :p))

Have a great day,

Karel.

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