On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 05:30:09PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> (first paragraph is to youness:)
> Long mails are very discouraging (is this english ?), especially if
> they start with "I fully disagree with Karel.".  Further on, after
> reading your mail (I read it!), I found out you don't "disagree" for
> 100% with what I said... so I was asking myself if you did read my
> whole mail and secondly, if you really thought a bit of it before
> responding.
> (not meant harsh in any way)
> 

wow, I just looked @ my previous mail, it is indeed very long, damn, sorry, and 
I thought I finally learned not 
to write long emails (nostalgic people are happy I guess, lol). and sorry if it 
was a turn off to see it started 
with 'I fully disagree with Karel'. I didn't mean it in a bad way. About the 
disagree at 100% or not, I must 
probably rewrite my sentence into "I fully disagree on puttin the FT manager 
inside the main window". About if I 
really thought of it before responding, I really don't know, I don't even 
remember the long email.. I see a 
mail, I answer it and that's it.. so maybe I didn't think of it too much... you 
know I'm a busy person :p

Concerning the rest of the email, I'll read it later, right now I'm busy, so 
sorry if you were expecting my 
answer right away. I promise I'll read/answer tonight!

KaKaRoTo

> 
> Probably I'm gonna leave this debate alone as I don't see myself
> arguing a month or two to see (afterwards) it didn't have much effect.
>  Some points though:
> 
> * I also proposed FT's to be listed in the chatwindow of the
> corresponding chat, without being in the chat history (so they don't
> scroll).  Seems logical, right ?  You seem to do the same with your
> bar.  I even thought about that bar too.  But then I opened a chat
> window, made some drawings and saw we, most of the time, have a lot of
> "screen real estate" free (kind of wasted)underneath the contact's DP,
> on the right of the chat history.  That's why I proposed to have this
> information over there.  It's debatable if this is the right place or
> not as it seems easier to fit all this info in horizontal lines.  two
> lines per file traffic didn't seem too much anyway.
> 
> * You say I'm crazy about the CL and want everything inside of it ?
> The main purpose of  amsn's main window might be listing contacts, but
> it's also from there on you change your
> status/nickname/preferences/plugin settings.   There's  an event log
> (if chosen) underneath the CL (CL not being the window but the
> widget).  I proposed to have the file transfer "manager" show up
> underneath it in one of my designs.  This is not in the CL thus.  If
> you want to remove clutter by not having a new window.  In what window
> would you list "fts of multiple users".  In a window where only in 1
> setting all active chats are going on or the window that lists all
> contacts, so all of those who are sending ?
> 
> * Is a "ft manager" needed after all ? (because of this question I
> proposed the FT in the chatwindow but not in the chat history).  How
> many FT's do you think an ordinary aMSN user does at the same time ?
> Do we need an overview of all the FT's going on ? or is the user able
> to know which FT's he/she has going on (because they are not so many)
> and only needs to know about that FT's status when in an active chat
> with the contact he's sending to or receiving from ?  -> next point
> 
> * I think (you not I guess) an ordinary (a)MSN user watches the status
> of an FT while in a chat with that specific user.  To see how much
> longer it will take before he can end the conversation for example.
> That's why I think it should at all time be possible to have a
> conversation open with a user on screen and the file transfer with
> that user at the same time.  This is not possible if you put the ft in
> another tab of the chatwindow.
> 
> Anyway; I'm not sure if this is worth it at the end but it might make
> you think a bit more about it (not meant harsh, like "you didn't think
> about it" (but, did you ? :p))
> 
> Have a great day,
> 
> Karel.
> 
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