On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Karel Demeyer <karel.deme...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I think Youness is "on the same wavelength" as I am. Please don't
> crowd the preferences dialog with all kinds of options only 0,05% of
> our users might want and that could upset/de-orientate 99,95% of our
> userbase.
> I you really think these options would make a difference for a lot of
> users, create a "Skin tweak" plugin that provides these options (for
> example on a new tab in the preferences window).
yep
>
> If a user would like to have an aMSN without borders around the
> groups, the default way to solve this would be to choose a skin
> without those borders.
yeah, that's the "default way" of doing it.. unfortunately, there aren't
many skins that give the user whatever option they actually want.... you end
up with just a couple of skins using a specific skin option, and the user
don't like it, and they want that option on another skin they use, etc...
and yes, it's not n00b-compatible to 'modify/create your skin'...
which is why I think the Skin tweak plugin would be best fitted for the job.
>
>
> my 1,6 eurocents,
>
> Karel.
>
> 2009/2/1 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> > The reason why I want it to be a skin option instead of a user option is
> > simply to avoid having too many options... a while ago (a few years
> already)
> > we had decided that if we ever need to add a new option, we would remove
> one
> > too.. that's why we didn't have a lot of options added to the preferences
> > window, and we try to avoid adding new options as much as possible.. the
> > users are already completely lost with all the options we have, so it's
> > bad...
> >
> > having a skin option also has a good reason.. like the underline option,
> > it's simply because a skin provides you with a look and feel for the app,
> so
> > it decides how it should be.. some skins wouldn't be good with
> underlining
> > (not sure, but it's a hypothesis that we assume is true), the same with
> the
> > boxes, or with the coloring of the nickname depending on the status,
> etc...
> >
> > What happens if the user removes the boxes and the skin becomes really
> bad
> > because of that? it's his fault, yes, but in the end, we are the ones who
> > have to suffer from it .. yeah, I'm the one who has to answer lots of
> n00b
> > questions on the forums... and many, many users tend to mess around with
> > options, enable/disable some options they don't know what they do, just
> to
> > "try them out" and then forget them like that, then they have problems
> and
> > blame it on us!...
> >
> > anyways, I wouldn't mind having a 'skin options override' plugin or
> > something that would allow a user to override some options from the skins
> > without actually having to modify the settings.xml.. that could help,
> > especially for stuff like the underline option...
> >
> > Anyways! Having a skin option will also allow like I said before, the old
> > skins to remain compatible since old skins won't have the boxes, new
> skins
> > will have them...
> >
> > my 2 cents.
> >
> > KaKaRoTo
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:49 AM, square87 <squar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry Kakaroto, but it's not the same thing to have an user option or a
> >> skin option?
> >> I'd prefer user option because a skin option it's a little bit hided...
> >> the same is for underline it's a nice feature, but if an user want it he
> >> should edit the xml skin file... and it's not simply for all users...
> >>
> >> Btw skin opt or user opt i can do it... if there isn't any voluntary
> >>
> >> a last thing we can have two opts...
> >> 1) hide all boxes
> >> 2) hide only user's boxes (and it's a great opt... i think... at least
> for
> >> me :P )
> >>
> >> Square87
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/1/31 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>
> >>>
> >>> No, options is not a good idea... I think the user must have a fast
> skin,
> >>> that's it... what makes it so slow is the fact that we have that many
> >>> options to check everytime we're drawing...
> >>>
> >>> The most CPU consuming processes I think are :
> >>>
> >>> 1 - dealing with transparency.. so alpha blending in images should be
> >>> avoided when possible
> >>>
> >>> 2 - resizing of images.. which means the box image for a group... same
> >>> with the scrollbar and I think the topbar of the chat window.. those
> are the
> >>> images being resized depending on the geometry of the win... in our
> case,
> >>> the group box is the one causing an issue...
> >>>
> >>> Maybe have a skin option (not a user option) that says 'use_box' or
> >>> something.. so if there is no box_* files, then amsn will not load the
> >>> images, and resize a 0x0 image to XxY, etc...
> >>>
> >>> This should also fix the problem so many people have... they change the
> >>> skin and all skins have that box_* thing even if it's not supposed to,
> >>> simply because most of our skins are old and unmaintained and do not
> have
> >>> the box_* files, so the ones from default skin are taken... So having
> the
> >>> 'use_box' option set to false by default would be great!
> >>>
> >>> KaKaRoTo
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 3:35 AM, square87 <squar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know what is better. It depends from user... if he has many
> >>>> users or not, if he likes an eye candy skin or a light skin... so
> personally
> >>>> i don't know.
> >>>>
> >>>> But maybe a poll should be: do you want to put a skin wizard? do you
> >>>> want put in amsn both skins and then the user chooses? For you what
> should
> >>>> be the default skin?
> >>>>
> >>>> And... if you want a can try to put some options to customize the skin
> >>>> (show only boxes around group name 0/1 | show boxes around group 0/1
> >>>> etc...). Yes i know we already have so many opts :-\ but this is what
> i
> >>>> think
> >>>>
> >>>> with love :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Square87
> >>>>
> >>>> 2009/1/30 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We should either update the skin, or change the skin...
> >>>>> I suggest a vote...
> >>>>> Changing the skin (to the minimal skin) :
> >>>>> pros :
> >>>>> Much faster aMSN!!!
> >>>>> Smaller binary size
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cons :
> >>>>> Not the same eye candy..
> >>>>> Users don't like stuff that change too much...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't vote yet as I don't know...
> >>>>> however, it might be interesting to see how aMSN performs
> >>>>> with the saphire skin WITHOUT the box_* pixmaps.. I think
> >>>>> the resizing of those pixmaps and the alpha blending is
> >>>>> causing all our CPU problems...
> >>>>> Also note that most users comments over the skin were that
> >>>>> they didn't like the boxes around the groups, so I would
> >>>>> suggest removing them from the next release...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> KaKaRoTo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:31:09PM -0200, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote:
> >>>>> > Hi,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Once I've posted in the ML about including the new version of
> >>>>> > Sapphire Skin
> >>>>> > if you want.... Is almost finished, and I finishing to design the
> >>>>> > hole set
> >>>>> > of smiles that integrates better with the skin style (since the
> >>>>> > current set
> >>>>> > of smiles are not mine...). Examples:
> http://amsn.lnxteam.org/?p=76
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > You can see how the skin looks (main Window):
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> http://amsn.lnxteam.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/amsn_sapphire25.png
> >>>>> > Anything else to check, you can download the SVN: *svn://
> >>>>> > svn.tuxfamily.org/svnroot/amsnskins/amsnskins/trunk/Sapphire/2.5/*
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Cheers.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > 2009/1/28 Vivia Nikolaidou <vi...@ee.auth.gr>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > DONE:
> >>>>> > > - N810: Bind menu button to show right click menu
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Not quite. Menu button called ::tk::FirstMenu which bugged so I
> >>>>> > > substituted
> >>>>> > > it with an empty proc, and made ctrl+click fire <<Button3>
> >>>>> > > events if we're on maemo.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > 0.98 TODO:
> >>>>> > > - Add missing pixmaps to minimal skin and make sure tab
> flickering
> >>>>> > > is visible
> >>>>> > > - Fix MSNP2P stuff that broke with WLM 2009
> >>>>> > > - Finish VoIP UI
> >>>>> > > - Small annoyance: when a CW gets opened because they nudge you,
> >>>>> > > you don't
> >>>>> > > see their DP
> >>>>> > > - Apply patch from PEACEYALL's thread
> >>>>> > > - Make ListChoose draw in a canvas
> >>>>> > > - Make webcam work for BSD systems
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
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