Well that's what i just explained, Tk already takes care of finding the
system font for us, it's the special font name 'systemfont'.
this is what happens in the Tk console if i type "font actual systemfont"
(font actual is the command to say 'give me the info on the font' and
systemfont is the name of the font) :
(amsn) 1 % font actual systemfont
-family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline 0
-overstrike 0
Type it yourself and see what the result is...
and yes, we could use the systemfont as the default...
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Uhm, I took a look at my fonts configuration files both in /etc/fonts
> and in my home, but couldn't find the "unique way of getting system
> default font" as expected. :( I don't have much free time to mess with
> tcl/tk, and I'm still working on langit, which has priority for now,
> but why don't you just set the line to look like this?
> -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 10 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
> 0 -overstrike 0
> I think DejaVu Sans is the best default font available to GNU/Linux
> users, it's way better than Helvetica imho. Would this setting even be
> possibile?
>
> Montblanc
>
> 2009/4/23 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> > Ah I see what you mean now, you've got a good point... so yes, maybe the
> > Helvetica font itself is bigger than most fonts and so when amsn fonts
> > appear big, it's not a dpi issue or whatever, it only appears big *IN
> > COMPARISON* with other apps because those other apps are using a
> different
> > font/size...
> > so if the ubuntu default is Deja Vu Sans 9, then it's a problem, we would
> > then need to have aMSN take the default font from the system.. is there
> any
> > 'unique' way of getting what the system default font is ? is it a
> gnome/kde
> > setting or is it an X setting ?
> > If there is, then yeay, let's use that if not (or if it fails) then
> fallback
> > on Arial 10, or Ms Sans Serif 10, if none are available then fallback on
> > Helvetica 10...
> > ahhh... a quick look at tcl.tk man page
> > http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/font.htm#M15 :
> > (amsn) 1 % font actual systemfont
> > -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline 0
> > -overstrike 0
> > so I guess we could set it to [list [font actual systemfont -family]
> [font
> > actual systemfont -size]
> > Thanks Montblanc for bringing this up and helping us understand the
> issue!
> > KaKaRoTo
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, kakaroto, it's not our duty to solve AMD/Ati drivers problems,
> >> aMSN is not to blame for that! :)
> >> I'll give you an example: as you said, aMSN default font size is 11.
> >> Let's suppose our system default general font is DejaVu Sans 9 (I
> >> think it actually is, on Ubuntu...). To make its size look like all of
> >> the other apps, you have to reduce font size to 10.
> >> Now, let's suppose I set Ubuntu fonts to Dejavu Sans 10 and keep
> >> Helvetica 11 on aMSN. There's no difference.
> >> <detective_mode>I think we should consider aMSN font size as *system
> >> default size +1".</detective_mode>
> >> I tried this on my friend's system too (Kubuntu 8.10), and I had to
> >> set his font size from Nimbus Sans 11 to Nimbus Sans 10 (by the way,
> >> it's really a nice font), while his system fonts were Bitstream Vera
> >> 9.
> >> SOLUTION:
> >>
> >> if { [OnMac] } {
> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list {Lucida Grande} 12 normal] ;
> >> base font
> >> } elseif { [OnWin] } {
> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Arial 10 normal]
> >> } else {
> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Helvetica 10 normal] ;
> >> }
> >>
> >> And, obviously, decreasing main window and chat windows resolutions
> >> accordingly.
> >>
> >> These are just my suppositions; I'm human and I might be wrong. ^_^"
> >> Just tell me what you think about it.
> >>
> >> Montblanc
> >>
> >> 2009/4/22 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> >> > By the way, compare these :
> >> > http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1vAd7r
> >> > http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1P5csi
> >> > You can see how the font size can change from one person to another..
> >> > and
> >> > no, all their other applications were fine (so no dpi problem or
> >> > whatever it
> >> > is)...
> >> > And from this forum thread :
> >> > http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4202
> >> > "Changed from Xinerama to TwinView, and all works great. Thanks to
> >> > nvidia
> >> > drivers I suppose."
> >> > so maybe the problem is elsewhere... it may be dependent on the
> >> > drivers...
> >> > I don't know! How could we solve that?
> >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Youness Alaoui
> >> > <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, I use {MS Sans serif, 10} on windows, and I think on linux, I
> use
> >> >> {Arial 12}.. The default we use I think is {Helvetica 11}.. if
> someone
> >> >> has a
> >> >> better font to suggest, then please suggest it and we can discuss
> it...
> >> >> But
> >> >> note that it should be a font available on a bare system (without
> >> >> msfonts
> >> >> installed and stuff like that).. for the size, 10 to 12 is pretty
> nice,
> >> >> we
> >> >> use 11 by default i think which should be perfect... maybe
> Helvetica's
> >> >> 11 is
> >> >> a bit big though, I don't know...
> >> >> anyways, here are the defaults :
> >> >> if { [OnMac] } {
> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list {Lucida Grande} 12 normal] ;#AMSN Mac
> OS
> >> >> X
> >> >> base font
> >> >> } elseif { [OnWin] } {
> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Arial 10 normal]
> >> >> } else {
> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Helvetica 11 normal] ;#AMSN base font
> >> >> }
> >> >> which I think are pretty good already!
> >> >>
> >> >> 2009/4/22 Stéphane Bisinger <stephane.bisin...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2009/4/22 Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com>:
> >> >>> > I'm using Kubuntu. Experiences I heard were from friends using
> >> >>> > Ubuntu
> >> >>> > Netbook Remix, Ubuntu, Puppy and Fedora.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Gosh! :P
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > If you're really sure it's
> >> >>> > distro specific, we should tell aMSN package maintainers about
> this.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I do not seem to have a problem with that on Gentoo, but it may be
> >> >>> subjective. Georgia size 13 is big compared to other fonts, but it
> is
> >> >>> also very readable. I tried using other fonts, but after the "cool"
> >> >>> factor cools down (sorry for the pun :P) I realize that text is
> >> >>> straining my eyes and go back to Georgia with size 13. Also consider
> >> >>> that if the font is too big, users may not like it, but they can
> still
> >> >>> use the program (and maybe find out they can resize the font size),
> on
> >> >>> the other hand if font is too small well... good luck using a
> program
> >> >>> you can't read!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Stéphane
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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