Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal: decreasing default font size

Youness Alaoui Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:25:07 -0700

Humm... so your default font is Droid Sans 9, and tk thinks it's DejaVu Sans
12 ?
not cool in that case...
KKRT


On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, understood. I got the same output:
> -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
> 0 -overstrike 0
> It's weird, 'cause aMSN is using Droid Sans 10, an my system font is
> Droid Sans 9...
>
> Montblanc
>
> 2009/4/25 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> > Well that's what i just explained, Tk already takes care of finding the
> > system font for us, it's the special font name 'systemfont'.
> > this is what happens in the Tk console if i type "font actual systemfont"
> > (font actual is the command to say 'give me the info on the font' and
> > systemfont is the name of the font) :
> > (amsn) 1 % font actual systemfont
> > -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline 0
> > -overstrike 0
> > Type it yourself and see what the result is...
> > and yes, we could use the systemfont as the default...
> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Uhm, I took a look at my fonts configuration files both in /etc/fonts
> >> and in my home, but couldn't find the "unique way of getting system
> >> default font" as expected. :( I don't have much free time to mess with
> >> tcl/tk, and I'm still working on langit, which has priority for now,
> >> but why don't you just set the line to look like this?
> >> -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 10 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
> >> 0 -overstrike 0
> >> I think DejaVu Sans is the best default font available to GNU/Linux
> >> users, it's way better than Helvetica imho. Would this setting even be
> >> possibile?
> >>
> >> Montblanc
> >>
> >> 2009/4/23 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> >> > Ah I see what you mean now, you've got a good point... so yes, maybe
> the
> >> > Helvetica font itself is bigger than most fonts and so when amsn fonts
> >> > appear big, it's not a dpi issue or whatever, it only appears big *IN
> >> > COMPARISON* with other apps because those other apps are using a
> >> > different
> >> > font/size...
> >> > so if the ubuntu default is Deja Vu Sans 9, then it's a problem, we
> >> > would
> >> > then need to have aMSN take the default font from the system.. is
> there
> >> > any
> >> > 'unique' way of getting what the system default font is ? is it a
> >> > gnome/kde
> >> > setting or is it an X setting ?
> >> > If there is, then yeay, let's use that if not (or if it fails) then
> >> > fallback
> >> > on Arial 10, or Ms Sans Serif 10, if none are available then fallback
> on
> >> > Helvetica 10...
> >> > ahhh... a quick look at tcl.tk man page
> >> > http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/font.htm#M15 :
> >> > (amsn) 1 % font actual systemfont
> >> > -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
> 0
> >> > -overstrike 0
> >> > so I guess we could set it to [list [font actual systemfont -family]
> >> > [font
> >> > actual systemfont -size]
> >> > Thanks Montblanc for bringing this up and helping us understand the
> >> > issue!
> >> > KaKaRoTo
> >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, kakaroto, it's not our duty to solve AMD/Ati drivers problems,
> >> >> aMSN is not to blame for that! :)
> >> >> I'll give you an example: as you said, aMSN default font size is 11.
> >> >> Let's suppose our system default general font is DejaVu Sans 9 (I
> >> >> think it actually is, on Ubuntu...). To make its size look like all
> of
> >> >> the other apps, you have to reduce font size to 10.
> >> >> Now, let's suppose I set Ubuntu fonts to Dejavu Sans 10 and keep
> >> >> Helvetica 11 on aMSN. There's no difference.
> >> >> <detective_mode>I think we should consider aMSN font size as *system
> >> >> default size +1".</detective_mode>
> >> >> I tried this on my friend's system too (Kubuntu 8.10), and I had to
> >> >> set his font size from Nimbus Sans 11 to Nimbus Sans 10 (by the way,
> >> >> it's really a nice font), while his system fonts were Bitstream Vera
> >> >> 9.
> >> >> SOLUTION:
> >> >>
> >> >> if { [OnMac] } {
> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list {Lucida Grande} 12 normal] ;
> >> >> base font
> >> >> } elseif { [OnWin] } {
> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Arial 10 normal]
> >> >> } else {
> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Helvetica 10 normal] ;
> >> >> }
> >> >>
> >> >> And, obviously, decreasing main window and chat windows resolutions
> >> >> accordingly.
> >> >>
> >> >> These are just my suppositions; I'm human and I might be wrong. ^_^"
> >> >> Just tell me what you think about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Montblanc
> >> >>
> >> >> 2009/4/22 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> >> >> > By the way, compare these :
> >> >> > http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1vAd7r
> >> >> > http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1P5csi
> >> >> > You can see how the font size can change from one person to
> another..
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > no, all their other applications were fine (so no dpi problem or
> >> >> > whatever it
> >> >> > is)...
> >> >> > And from this forum thread :
> >> >> > http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4202
> >> >> > "Changed from Xinerama to TwinView, and all works great. Thanks to
> >> >> > nvidia
> >> >> > drivers I suppose."
> >> >> > so maybe the problem is elsewhere... it may be dependent on the
> >> >> > drivers...
> >> >> > I don't know! How could we solve that?
> >> >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Youness Alaoui
> >> >> > <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well, I use {MS Sans serif, 10} on windows, and I think on linux,
> I
> >> >> >> use
> >> >> >> {Arial 12}.. The default we use I think is {Helvetica 11}.. if
> >> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> has a
> >> >> >> better font to suggest, then please suggest it and we can discuss
> >> >> >> it...
> >> >> >> But
> >> >> >> note that it should be a font available on a bare system (without
> >> >> >> msfonts
> >> >> >> installed and stuff like that).. for the size, 10 to 12 is pretty
> >> >> >> nice,
> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> use 11 by default i think which should be perfect... maybe
> >> >> >> Helvetica's
> >> >> >> 11 is
> >> >> >> a bit big though, I don't know...
> >> >> >> anyways, here are the defaults :
> >> >> >>   if { [OnMac] } {
> >> >> >>   setGlobalKey basefont [list {Lucida Grande} 12 normal] ;#AMSN
> Mac
> >> >> >> OS
> >> >> >> X
> >> >> >> base font
> >> >> >>   } elseif { [OnWin] } {
> >> >> >>   setGlobalKey basefont [list Arial 10 normal]
> >> >> >>   } else {
> >> >> >>   setGlobalKey basefont [list Helvetica 11 normal] ;#AMSN base
> font
> >> >> >>   }
> >> >> >> which I think are pretty good already!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2009/4/22 Stéphane Bisinger <stephane.bisin...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> 2009/4/22 Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com>:
> >> >> >>> > I'm using Kubuntu. Experiences I heard were from friends using
> >> >> >>> > Ubuntu
> >> >> >>> > Netbook Remix, Ubuntu, Puppy and Fedora.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Gosh! :P
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> > If you're really sure it's
> >> >> >>> > distro specific, we should tell aMSN package maintainers about
> >> >> >>> > this.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I do not seem to have a problem with that on Gentoo, but it may
> be
> >> >> >>> subjective. Georgia size 13 is big compared to other fonts, but
> it
> >> >> >>> is
> >> >> >>> also very readable. I tried using other fonts, but after the
> "cool"
> >> >> >>> factor cools down (sorry for the pun :P) I realize that text is
> >> >> >>> straining my eyes and go back to Georgia with size 13. Also
> >> >> >>> consider
> >> >> >>> that if the font is too big, users may not like it, but they can
> >> >> >>> still
> >> >> >>> use the program (and maybe find out they can resize the font
> size),
> >> >> >>> on
> >> >> >>> the other hand if font is too small well... good luck using a
> >> >> >>> program
> >> >> >>> you can't read!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Stéphane
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
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