Re: [Amsn-devel] Proposal: decreasing default font size

Youness Alaoui Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:00:49 -0700

Probably X default font (~/.XDefaults or ~/.Xresources ) while gnome
probably uses gconf and kde uses the equivalent of gconf...
Maybe a more elaborate solution would be needed then...
KaKaRoTo


On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah. Maybe tk gets settings from an unused configuration file, while
> Gnome/KDE default fonts are stored elsewhere?
>
> Montblanc
>
> 2009/4/25 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> > Humm... so your default font is Droid Sans 9, and tk thinks it's DejaVu
> Sans
> > 12 ?
> > not cool in that case...
> > KKRT
> > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, understood. I got the same output:
> >> -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
> >> 0 -overstrike 0
> >> It's weird, 'cause aMSN is using Droid Sans 10, an my system font is
> >> Droid Sans 9...
> >>
> >> Montblanc
> >>
> >> 2009/4/25 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> >> > Well that's what i just explained, Tk already takes care of finding
> the
> >> > system font for us, it's the special font name 'systemfont'.
> >> > this is what happens in the Tk console if i type "font actual
> >> > systemfont"
> >> > (font actual is the command to say 'give me the info on the font' and
> >> > systemfont is the name of the font) :
> >> > (amsn) 1 % font actual systemfont
> >> > -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
> 0
> >> > -overstrike 0
> >> > Type it yourself and see what the result is...
> >> > and yes, we could use the systemfont as the default...
> >> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Uhm, I took a look at my fonts configuration files both in /etc/fonts
> >> >> and in my home, but couldn't find the "unique way of getting system
> >> >> default font" as expected. :( I don't have much free time to mess
> with
> >> >> tcl/tk, and I'm still working on langit, which has priority for now,
> >> >> but why don't you just set the line to look like this?
> >> >> -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 10 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
> >> >> 0 -overstrike 0
> >> >> I think DejaVu Sans is the best default font available to GNU/Linux
> >> >> users, it's way better than Helvetica imho. Would this setting even
> be
> >> >> possibile?
> >> >>
> >> >> Montblanc
> >> >>
> >> >> 2009/4/23 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> >> >> > Ah I see what you mean now, you've got a good point... so yes,
> maybe
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Helvetica font itself is bigger than most fonts and so when amsn
> >> >> > fonts
> >> >> > appear big, it's not a dpi issue or whatever, it only appears big
> *IN
> >> >> > COMPARISON* with other apps because those other apps are using a
> >> >> > different
> >> >> > font/size...
> >> >> > so if the ubuntu default is Deja Vu Sans 9, then it's a problem, we
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > then need to have aMSN take the default font from the system.. is
> >> >> > there
> >> >> > any
> >> >> > 'unique' way of getting what the system default font is ? is it a
> >> >> > gnome/kde
> >> >> > setting or is it an X setting ?
> >> >> > If there is, then yeay, let's use that if not (or if it fails) then
> >> >> > fallback
> >> >> > on Arial 10, or Ms Sans Serif 10, if none are available then
> fallback
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > Helvetica 10...
> >> >> > ahhh... a quick look at tcl.tk man page
> >> >> > http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/font.htm#M15 :
> >> >> > (amsn) 1 % font actual systemfont
> >> >> > -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman
> -underline
> >> >> > 0
> >> >> > -overstrike 0
> >> >> > so I guess we could set it to [list [font actual systemfont
> -family]
> >> >> > [font
> >> >> > actual systemfont -size]
> >> >> > Thanks Montblanc for bringing this up and helping us understand the
> >> >> > issue!
> >> >> > KaKaRoTo
> >> >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well, kakaroto, it's not our duty to solve AMD/Ati drivers
> problems,
> >> >> >> aMSN is not to blame for that! :)
> >> >> >> I'll give you an example: as you said, aMSN default font size is
> 11.
> >> >> >> Let's suppose our system default general font is DejaVu Sans 9 (I
> >> >> >> think it actually is, on Ubuntu...). To make its size look like
> all
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the other apps, you have to reduce font size to 10.
> >> >> >> Now, let's suppose I set Ubuntu fonts to Dejavu Sans 10 and keep
> >> >> >> Helvetica 11 on aMSN. There's no difference.
> >> >> >> <detective_mode>I think we should consider aMSN font size as
> *system
> >> >> >> default size +1".</detective_mode>
> >> >> >> I tried this on my friend's system too (Kubuntu 8.10), and I had
> to
> >> >> >> set his font size from Nimbus Sans 11 to Nimbus Sans 10 (by the
> way,
> >> >> >> it's really a nice font), while his system fonts were Bitstream
> Vera
> >> >> >> 9.
> >> >> >> SOLUTION:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> if { [OnMac] } {
> >> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list {Lucida Grande} 12 normal] ;
> >> >> >> base font
> >> >> >> } elseif { [OnWin] } {
> >> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Arial 10 normal]
> >> >> >> } else {
> >> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Helvetica 10 normal] ;
> >> >> >> }
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And, obviously, decreasing main window and chat windows
> resolutions
> >> >> >> accordingly.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> These are just my suppositions; I'm human and I might be wrong.
> ^_^"
> >> >> >> Just tell me what you think about it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Montblanc
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2009/4/22 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> >> >> >> > By the way, compare these :
> >> >> >> > http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1vAd7r
> >> >> >> > http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1P5csi
> >> >> >> > You can see how the font size can change from one person to
> >> >> >> > another..
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > no, all their other applications were fine (so no dpi problem or
> >> >> >> > whatever it
> >> >> >> > is)...
> >> >> >> > And from this forum thread :
> >> >> >> > http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4202
> >> >> >> > "Changed from Xinerama to TwinView, and all works great. Thanks
> to
> >> >> >> > nvidia
> >> >> >> > drivers I suppose."
> >> >> >> > so maybe the problem is elsewhere... it may be dependent on the
> >> >> >> > drivers...
> >> >> >> > I don't know! How could we solve that?
> >> >> >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Youness Alaoui
> >> >> >> > <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Well, I use {MS Sans serif, 10} on windows, and I think on
> linux,
> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> use
> >> >> >> >> {Arial 12}.. The default we use I think is {Helvetica 11}.. if
> >> >> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> >> has a
> >> >> >> >> better font to suggest, then please suggest it and we can
> discuss
> >> >> >> >> it...
> >> >> >> >> But
> >> >> >> >> note that it should be a font available on a bare system
> (without
> >> >> >> >> msfonts
> >> >> >> >> installed and stuff like that).. for the size, 10 to 12 is
> pretty
> >> >> >> >> nice,
> >> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> >> use 11 by default i think which should be perfect... maybe
> >> >> >> >> Helvetica's
> >> >> >> >> 11 is
> >> >> >> >> a bit big though, I don't know...
> >> >> >> >> anyways, here are the defaults :
> >> >> >> >>   if { [OnMac] } {
> >> >> >> >>   setGlobalKey basefont [list {Lucida Grande} 12 normal] ;#AMSN
> >> >> >> >> Mac
> >> >> >> >> OS
> >> >> >> >> X
> >> >> >> >> base font
> >> >> >> >>   } elseif { [OnWin] } {
> >> >> >> >>   setGlobalKey basefont [list Arial 10 normal]
> >> >> >> >>   } else {
> >> >> >> >>   setGlobalKey basefont [list Helvetica 11 normal] ;#AMSN base
> >> >> >> >> font
> >> >> >> >>   }
> >> >> >> >> which I think are pretty good already!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 2009/4/22 Stéphane Bisinger <stephane.bisin...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> 2009/4/22 Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com>:
> >> >> >> >>> > I'm using Kubuntu. Experiences I heard were from friends
> using
> >> >> >> >>> > Ubuntu
> >> >> >> >>> > Netbook Remix, Ubuntu, Puppy and Fedora.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Gosh! :P
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> > If you're really sure it's
> >> >> >> >>> > distro specific, we should tell aMSN package maintainers
> about
> >> >> >> >>> > this.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> I do not seem to have a problem with that on Gentoo, but it
> may
> >> >> >> >>> be
> >> >> >> >>> subjective. Georgia size 13 is big compared to other fonts,
> but
> >> >> >> >>> it
> >> >> >> >>> is
> >> >> >> >>> also very readable. I tried using other fonts, but after the
> >> >> >> >>> "cool"
> >> >> >> >>> factor cools down (sorry for the pun :P) I realize that text
> is
> >> >> >> >>> straining my eyes and go back to Georgia with size 13. Also
> >> >> >> >>> consider
> >> >> >> >>> that if the font is too big, users may not like it, but they
> can
> >> >> >> >>> still
> >> >> >> >>> use the program (and maybe find out they can resize the font
> >> >> >> >>> size),
> >> >> >> >>> on
> >> >> >> >>> the other hand if font is too small well... good luck using a
> >> >> >> >>> program
> >> >> >> >>> you can't read!
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >> >>> Stéphane
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
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