Yeah. Maybe tk gets settings from an unused configuration file, while
Gnome/KDE default fonts are stored elsewhere?
Montblanc
2009/4/25 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
> Humm... so your default font is Droid Sans 9, and tk thinks it's DejaVu Sans
> 12 ?
> not cool in that case...
> KKRT
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, understood. I got the same output:
>> -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
>> 0 -overstrike 0
>> It's weird, 'cause aMSN is using Droid Sans 10, an my system font is
>> Droid Sans 9...
>>
>> Montblanc
>>
>> 2009/4/25 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
>> > Well that's what i just explained, Tk already takes care of finding the
>> > system font for us, it's the special font name 'systemfont'.
>> > this is what happens in the Tk console if i type "font actual
>> > systemfont"
>> > (font actual is the command to say 'give me the info on the font' and
>> > systemfont is the name of the font) :
>> > (amsn) 1 % font actual systemfont
>> > -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline 0
>> > -overstrike 0
>> > Type it yourself and see what the result is...
>> > and yes, we could use the systemfont as the default...
>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Uhm, I took a look at my fonts configuration files both in /etc/fonts
>> >> and in my home, but couldn't find the "unique way of getting system
>> >> default font" as expected. :( I don't have much free time to mess with
>> >> tcl/tk, and I'm still working on langit, which has priority for now,
>> >> but why don't you just set the line to look like this?
>> >> -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 10 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
>> >> 0 -overstrike 0
>> >> I think DejaVu Sans is the best default font available to GNU/Linux
>> >> users, it's way better than Helvetica imho. Would this setting even be
>> >> possibile?
>> >>
>> >> Montblanc
>> >>
>> >> 2009/4/23 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
>> >> > Ah I see what you mean now, you've got a good point... so yes, maybe
>> >> > the
>> >> > Helvetica font itself is bigger than most fonts and so when amsn
>> >> > fonts
>> >> > appear big, it's not a dpi issue or whatever, it only appears big *IN
>> >> > COMPARISON* with other apps because those other apps are using a
>> >> > different
>> >> > font/size...
>> >> > so if the ubuntu default is Deja Vu Sans 9, then it's a problem, we
>> >> > would
>> >> > then need to have aMSN take the default font from the system.. is
>> >> > there
>> >> > any
>> >> > 'unique' way of getting what the system default font is ? is it a
>> >> > gnome/kde
>> >> > setting or is it an X setting ?
>> >> > If there is, then yeay, let's use that if not (or if it fails) then
>> >> > fallback
>> >> > on Arial 10, or Ms Sans Serif 10, if none are available then fallback
>> >> > on
>> >> > Helvetica 10...
>> >> > ahhh... a quick look at tcl.tk man page
>> >> > http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.4/TkCmd/font.htm#M15 :
>> >> > (amsn) 1 % font actual systemfont
>> >> > -family {DejaVu Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman -underline
>> >> > 0
>> >> > -overstrike 0
>> >> > so I guess we could set it to [list [font actual systemfont -family]
>> >> > [font
>> >> > actual systemfont -size]
>> >> > Thanks Montblanc for bringing this up and helping us understand the
>> >> > issue!
>> >> > KaKaRoTo
>> >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well, kakaroto, it's not our duty to solve AMD/Ati drivers problems,
>> >> >> aMSN is not to blame for that! :)
>> >> >> I'll give you an example: as you said, aMSN default font size is 11.
>> >> >> Let's suppose our system default general font is DejaVu Sans 9 (I
>> >> >> think it actually is, on Ubuntu...). To make its size look like all
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the other apps, you have to reduce font size to 10.
>> >> >> Now, let's suppose I set Ubuntu fonts to Dejavu Sans 10 and keep
>> >> >> Helvetica 11 on aMSN. There's no difference.
>> >> >> <detective_mode>I think we should consider aMSN font size as *system
>> >> >> default size +1".</detective_mode>
>> >> >> I tried this on my friend's system too (Kubuntu 8.10), and I had to
>> >> >> set his font size from Nimbus Sans 11 to Nimbus Sans 10 (by the way,
>> >> >> it's really a nice font), while his system fonts were Bitstream Vera
>> >> >> 9.
>> >> >> SOLUTION:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> if { [OnMac] } {
>> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list {Lucida Grande} 12 normal] ;
>> >> >> base font
>> >> >> } elseif { [OnWin] } {
>> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Arial 10 normal]
>> >> >> } else {
>> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Helvetica 10 normal] ;
>> >> >> }
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And, obviously, decreasing main window and chat windows resolutions
>> >> >> accordingly.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> These are just my suppositions; I'm human and I might be wrong. ^_^"
>> >> >> Just tell me what you think about it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Montblanc
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2009/4/22 Youness Alaoui <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net>:
>> >> >> > By the way, compare these :
>> >> >> > http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1vAd7r
>> >> >> > http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aV1P5csi
>> >> >> > You can see how the font size can change from one person to
>> >> >> > another..
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > no, all their other applications were fine (so no dpi problem or
>> >> >> > whatever it
>> >> >> > is)...
>> >> >> > And from this forum thread :
>> >> >> > http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4202
>> >> >> > "Changed from Xinerama to TwinView, and all works great. Thanks to
>> >> >> > nvidia
>> >> >> > drivers I suppose."
>> >> >> > so maybe the problem is elsewhere... it may be dependent on the
>> >> >> > drivers...
>> >> >> > I don't know! How could we solve that?
>> >> >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Youness Alaoui
>> >> >> > <kakar...@kakaroto.homelinux.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Well, I use {MS Sans serif, 10} on windows, and I think on linux,
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> use
>> >> >> >> {Arial 12}.. The default we use I think is {Helvetica 11}.. if
>> >> >> >> someone
>> >> >> >> has a
>> >> >> >> better font to suggest, then please suggest it and we can discuss
>> >> >> >> it...
>> >> >> >> But
>> >> >> >> note that it should be a font available on a bare system (without
>> >> >> >> msfonts
>> >> >> >> installed and stuff like that).. for the size, 10 to 12 is pretty
>> >> >> >> nice,
>> >> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> use 11 by default i think which should be perfect... maybe
>> >> >> >> Helvetica's
>> >> >> >> 11 is
>> >> >> >> a bit big though, I don't know...
>> >> >> >> anyways, here are the defaults :
>> >> >> >> if { [OnMac] } {
>> >> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list {Lucida Grande} 12 normal] ;#AMSN
>> >> >> >> Mac
>> >> >> >> OS
>> >> >> >> X
>> >> >> >> base font
>> >> >> >> } elseif { [OnWin] } {
>> >> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Arial 10 normal]
>> >> >> >> } else {
>> >> >> >> setGlobalKey basefont [list Helvetica 11 normal] ;#AMSN base
>> >> >> >> font
>> >> >> >> }
>> >> >> >> which I think are pretty good already!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 2009/4/22 Stéphane Bisinger <stephane.bisin...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> 2009/4/22 Montblanc <toto...@gmail.com>:
>> >> >> >>> > I'm using Kubuntu. Experiences I heard were from friends using
>> >> >> >>> > Ubuntu
>> >> >> >>> > Netbook Remix, Ubuntu, Puppy and Fedora.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Gosh! :P
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> > If you're really sure it's
>> >> >> >>> > distro specific, we should tell aMSN package maintainers about
>> >> >> >>> > this.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I do not seem to have a problem with that on Gentoo, but it may
>> >> >> >>> be
>> >> >> >>> subjective. Georgia size 13 is big compared to other fonts, but
>> >> >> >>> it
>> >> >> >>> is
>> >> >> >>> also very readable. I tried using other fonts, but after the
>> >> >> >>> "cool"
>> >> >> >>> factor cools down (sorry for the pun :P) I realize that text is
>> >> >> >>> straining my eyes and go back to Georgia with size 13. Also
>> >> >> >>> consider
>> >> >> >>> that if the font is too big, users may not like it, but they can
>> >> >> >>> still
>> >> >> >>> use the program (and maybe find out they can resize the font
>> >> >> >>> size),
>> >> >> >>> on
>> >> >> >>> the other hand if font is too small well... good luck using a
>> >> >> >>> program
>> >> >> >>> you can't read!
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> Stéphane
>> >> >> >>>
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