Thank you. My point exactly. Also, Craig. Perhaps we have a different definitions of a developer, but you can be an Android developer and not write Android applications that go on Maket place. Let's say you want to change the GUI infrastructure, or add support for some h/w that Android does not currently support. Thats why I don't agree with you statement below.
> If he wants to play with the OS, buy the retail phone from T-Mobile, The T-Mobile phone is locked up TIGHT. In fact if he wants to work with lower levels of Android he almost defenitely NEEDs the developer phone. There are going to be people that buy the phone to get it at a discount and fully unlocked who have no intention to develop for Android ever, in ANY shape of form. They will complain about the 25$ cause it will be useless to them, yes. These people are the people that you are reffering to. BUT you can not make an assumption that EVERYONE is in this boat. You choose to read the original post in this light, we are giving people benifit of the doubt. I'll sum it up with this one stence. "It is possible to be an Andorid developer who needs a developer phone AND never intends to publish anything on the Market Place, because their Adroid work is not of Market Place application type". On Dec 15, 9:44 am, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > Craig, > > The $25 is not a fee that all developers pay. > > I've developed the AndAppStore Client which didn't require paying the > $25 because it can not be listed on Marketplace because of the T&Cs, yet > it is available as an apk which can be used by anyone with an Android > phone by downloading it > fromhttp://andappstore.com/AndroidPhoneApplications/apps/7661. The > AndAppStore client can't be listed because it's a competitor service, > there are also queries over what constitutes a listable pay-for app, and > given that Marketplace doesn't offer a pay-for method at the moment > that's a big problem for anyone looking to focus on Android development. > > I was lucky in that I could get a G1 for testing, but for developers who > can't get a G1 and are developing apps which may not be listable on > Marketplace due to the T&Cs (but could be validly listed on places like > AndAppStore or SlideME) they have to pay $25 for no other reason than to > get a 'phone, and until they've paid that $25 they don't get told how > much shipping will cost, and given the shipping fees have made the dev > phone uneconomical for some then they've wasted $25 just to get a > shipping quote. > > To me that isn't justified. > > Al. > > > > > > Craig Larson wrote: > > But the problem is THIS PHONE FROM GOOGLE is for DEVELOPERS. No ifs > > ands or buts. If he wants to play with the OS, buy the retail phone > > from T-Mobile, or when the next Android based phone comes out. That > > is the point here. He is complaining the $25 fee is unjustified. It > > is a fee ALL developers pay. If he is a developer for Android, he > > would have no issues with this. He complains he gets "nothing extra" > > for the $25. What he gets is to put his apps in the market place if > > he is a developer. > > > I agree that it is crappy that you don't see the shipping charges > > upfront. However, to be upset about having to pay the $25 all > > developers pay then that is ridiculous. > > > The bottom line is this is supposed to be a tool for DEVELOPERS, not > > consumers. So why a DEVELOPER is complaining about the $25 fee that > > every developer pays is just ignorant. > > > On Dec 13, 7:47 pm, He Who Tries to Code <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> 25$ fee is justified and in fact is a great deal. I commend Google for > >> charging us only that. I think we're interpreting the original post > >> above differently. I've been working on an Android app for a while but > >> its not ready yet to be published. When I heard about the phone I > >> signed up for market place since I plan to use it anyways. However you > >> can't help but feel a bit duped when you see the shipping. That is > >> what I think the original post is getting at. Lets face it, you're not > >> going to sign up for Market Place unless there is an IMMEDIATE reason. > >> Either you're ready to upload your application, or the other reason > >> was if you want to order the phone to help you develop. People are > >> such that, when they spend money on something they expect an immediate > >> return and because he found that shipping put phone out of his reach > >> he got no immediate return. > > >> Also consider this. What if he wants to play with the Android OS and > >> has no desire to write Android applications. What if its a h/w product > >> that he's working on and wants another device he can learn from. In > >> this case the only reason to sign up is the phone, and he would still > >> be an Android developer. Or might be just an enthusiast wanting to > >> play with the platform... > > >> On Dec 13, 4:41 pm, originalman20 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> Uhmm pardon the input but if I'm not mistaken, the shipping fees described > >>> are standard fees for shipping any device through fedex or UPS. I would > >>> expect those fees to be added to the grand total at the end as it does > >>> when > >>> I purchase any other device unless "Free Shipping" is advertised. > > >>> Now the developer fee being some kind of member ship payment is justified > >>> as > >>> every developer has to pay it. Assuming that shipping wasn't going to cost > >>> was I believe a misthought on your part if free shipping for developers is > >>> not advertised. > > >>> On Dec 13, 2008 4:33 PM, "Craig Larson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> I understand his whole point is that the shipping price is hidden. > >>> But this topic is about the $25 fee for developers. That is a moot > >>> point considering this phone is for developers. If you are signed up > >>> to be a developer, you don't need to pay another $25 to get the > >>> phone. If he was truly a developer, he wouldn't have any issues with > >>> the fee since ALL developers have to pay that fee. That is what I am > >>> saying with my posts. > > -- > ====== > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > company number 6741909. 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