The $471.53 cost of getting an ADP1 is the stumbling block for me (espicially as I already have a UK G1).
If you could do something about that JBQ then I'm sure a lot of people would suddenly love you :). Al. Jean-Baptiste Queru wrote: > BTW, anyone can contribute to such optimizations. Get an ADP1, grab > the android source code, head over to the android-platform mailing > list, and optimize away. > > JBQ (trying hard to make sure that it's possible for anyone to > contribute code to android). > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sounds like HTC used an MLC flash module... bummer :(. >> >> Tell the guy working on the Home screen to minimise writes wherever >> possible. That includes stripping out logging, separate preference >> settings, etc., etc., etc. >> >> Lets hope the next device uses something less focused on cost and more >> focused on performance (especially since I was recently able to buy a >> 1GB SLC flash based SD Card for about 10 USD a from Amazon, so it's not >> a huge cost increase for a distinctly noticeable speed increase ). >> >> Al. >> >> Jean-Baptiste Queru wrote: >> >>> I know that the author of Home has been under lots of pressure to make >>> it start as quickly as he possibly could, because startup time has >>> consistently been a visible issue. >>> >>> At this point, the only know option is... apps on SD card (no >>> kidding), since the limiting factor when launching Home is the I/O >>> speed, and the G1's internal flash is unbelievably slow. >>> >>> JBQ >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Disconnect <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Never said that was a good fix. But - unless i'm wrong? - there is little >>>> to >>>> no pressure to make it work right now, and the way to get that is by making >>>> tmob aware that their customers actually care. Or so R. told me (I'm not >>>> going to throw him under the bus here, if he wants his name published as >>>> the >>>> author thats up to him :) ..) >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Of course, pinning Home in RAM will mean that the RAM in question >>>>> won't be available to other apps (including the browser), so you'll >>>>> see a lot more of "my background services got interrupted" and "my >>>>> browser ran out of memory and closed". >>>>> >>>>> Home used to be pinned in RAM, and dogfooding found that the user >>>>> experience was worse in that case. >>>>> >>>>> JBQ >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Disconnect <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Its not a race condition, unless by "race condition between two threads" >>>>>> you >>>>>> mean "the device gets low on memory and kills all the background apps, >>>>>> then >>>>>> home takes forever to start up again". >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are a tmob customer, you -need- to call 611 and ask/complain >>>>>> about >>>>>> this. Currently, its "behaving as expected" at 10 seconds (yes, its >>>>>> proven >>>>>> that 15 is not unusual, but I'm told the requirements were 10 or less) >>>>>> and >>>>>> until the carrier leans on google its going to stay that way. (And they >>>>>> don't care about the lists, irc, etc. They care about calls into their >>>>>> support center.) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:40 PM, pilkro <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Have not. But I've just recently done a factory reset. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't want to have to pull the battery every time I browse the web, >>>>>>> though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 14, 12:34 pm, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 62 that's heading for a record I think.... Have you done the battery >>>>>>>> pull trick? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Al. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> pilkro wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Every time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FWIW, I have 62 installed Market Apps. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 12:27 pm, Mark Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> David Turner wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> yes, this is a known issue. I believe that the problem has been >>>>>>>>>>> identified (race condition between two threads) and that a fix in >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good to know...but race conditions usually aren't that consistent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> pilkro: Do you get the 5-15 second delay *every* time or >>>>>>>>>> occasionally? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't see this problem on my G1, and if it were widespread, I'd >>>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>>> there would be many more complaints about this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy)http://commonsware.com >>>>>>>>>> _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 2.0 >>>>>>>>>> Published! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ====== >>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the >>>>>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, >>>>>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not >>>>>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's >>>>>>>> subsidiaries. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru >>>>> Android Engineer, Google. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> ====== >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. >> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's >> subsidiaries. >> >> >> > > > > -- ====== Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. 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