Minor correction: ADP1 has market. It just doesn't have non-gtalk IM or amazon mp3. Its basically the same as the UK version.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > > Vincent, > > The answers are; > > 1) An ADP1 allows you to easily flash the 'phone with custom firmware > and does not come with some of the Google apps (Market, etc.). An > unlocked G1 can be reflashed with some work, but comes with a T-Mobile > compiled firmware with all the Google apps relevant for the region (e.g. > you don't get IM & the Amazon MP3 store in the UK). > > 2) Everyone wants devs to have dev 'phones, but devs don't necessarily > want a dev 'phone which does not reflect their users experience. > > 3) I hope it isn't, but I try to avoid definitive statements about what > the long term future holds, and as your asking the questions now what is > relevant is the current market. > > Al. > > Vincent Wu wrote: > > Al, > > > > No, I read that message and paid attention. That is a valid point. > > However, it does not change any of my fundamental ideas of doing this > > whole thing. Without disclosing the full details to everyone, I want > > to raise three points for you and others to think about: > > > > 1. What is the difference between ADP1 and a unlocked G1 you can get > > from ebay? How much do you want to pay for that difference? > > > > 2. In the current eco system, which party does not want developers > > have dev phones? Do you actually think you can get dev version of all > > Android phones? Let me go one step further: google wants to build the > > platform popularity for their long term strategic goals (world > > domination, and a lot of $$$). HTC like every phone maker wants to > > sell more phones. Then who is applying pressure to both of them not to > > provide more and more cheap dev phones? As a developer, do you want to > > remove that limitation? > > > > 3. Do you honest believe it will always be one-man shop to build $1 > > software on phones forever? What is the phone hardware look like in > > 2007, 2008, and 2009? can you imagine what they will be in 2015? > > > > > > On Feb 18, 6:30 am, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Vincent, > >> > >> I think you're missing a key point which has already been raised; > >> > >> - Developing on a custom 'phone can not give users the an accurate > >> reflection of the platform that users will be on. > >> > >> Yes, there may be 100s' of Android devices in the future, and yes there > >> may be 10 or so by the end of the year, but, right now, the market is > >> limited, so buying into a hardware platform which will most likely offer > >> different a processing characteristics, graphics performance, etc., just > >> does not make sense. This is most probably the main reason why the ADP1 > >> looks so like the G1 and the G2 is so similar to both of them. > >> > >> I hope you take this in the spirit in which it's intended and it helps > >> you understand where the negativity is coming from. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Al.http://andappstore.com/ > >> > >> > >> > >> Vincent Wu wrote: > >> > >>> If you do not want to share some risk, you will never get a custom > >>> build dev phone. No one else will be willing to go through this much > >>> trouble to build a small batch customized phone just for developers. > >>> Am I the only one believing by end of 2009 there will be too many > >>> models on the market to develop for; and developers need a cheap > >>> reliable generic device for every programmer and QA? A device that you > >>> can burn in different images of your own? > >>> > >>> Did I ask any one for money? I am asking for developer's preferences > >>> now to build the dev phone first. If you don't like a dev phone, fine; > >>> but I am not naive enough to believe people like Mike Quinn are > >>> willing to pay a dime. Good lesson for me, maybe people like you will > >>> buy the phone then call the credit card company to dispute the charge. > >>> Why am I causing myself this much risk by working for this group of > >>> virtual friends? > >>> > >>> Now you guys enjoy your overpriced ADP1, watch the devices popping up, > >>> dream about google offering ADPn for each new device, and have a nice > >>> day! > >>> > >> -- > >> ====== > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > >> company number 6741909. 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