On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Sean Hodges <[email protected]>wrote:
> > Good point, although I'm not sure that I agree. > > If I took the Doom source code, integrated it with Google Maps and > several commercial libraries all under extremely restrictive licences, > I haven't done anything wrong in the eyes of the law. As long as I > don't *distribute* it without adhering to all of those licences. > > If you then distribute your work, you must provide it under the GPL > licence, and you must do under the terms of the GPL. However, the GPL > is a contract between the developer and the users of the software, not > the developer and the big wide world. You aren't obligated to offer > what is effectively a public mirror service of the work to everyone; > only the people who use the software, which in this case are people > who have paid for the game. > I believe you are bound to distribute or make available the sources to Android Market which will be bound to the GPL since it effectively distributes the binaries to users, not you. You should really ask a lawyer about this. > I think my "proof of payment" scenario was a bit sketchy though, as > Cedric pointed out. > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > As far as I know he can't demand to see payment before handing over the > > source code. > > > > From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL; > > > > "The distribution rights granted by the GPL for modified versions of the > > work are not unconditional. When someone distributes a GPL'd work plus > their > > own modifications, the requirements for distributing the whole work > cannot > > be any greater than the requirements that are in the GPL." > > > > So due to the original Doom source code being freely distributable and > > usable the author can't add on the requirement that I pay for the > > application. > > > > Al. > > > > --- > > > > * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > > > > ====== > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > > > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > > subsidiaries. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean Hodges > > Sent: 15 April 2009 14:16 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Developer Ethics > > > > > > Rapidshare? :) > > > > The developer is allowed to sell GPL software, he just has to provide the > > source code to the people that have the application. With that in mind, > he > > may demand proof of payment before giving you his latest source code. > > > > I'd imagine it wouldn't be too much work to take a recent Linux port of > the > > Doom engine (like PRBoom) and modify the code to use Android compatible > > libraries. The interesting bit would be getting the native C engine > working > > in an APK. I'm not sure how that is done, perhaps someone else might be > able > > to shed some light on it? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Any way you know of getting the APK without paying the $3.99? > >> > >> Al. > >> --- > >> > >> * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > >> > >> ====== > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > >> > >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > >> subsidiaries. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean Hodges > >> Sent: 15 April 2009 12:55 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Developer Ethics > >> > >> > >> Ah, I see :) Well it may not be available on-line. If not, you should > >> request it directly from the developer by email (the GPL only demands > >> that the source is made available on request). I'd be interested in > >> how you get on obtaining the source, as I might ask for a copy myself. > >> > >> It's worth checking the contents of the Doom APK file as well, the > >> source code may have been bundled in the archive. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I think you missed my point :), The GPL means the source of the > >>> *Android > >>> port* needs to be available. If it is it'd be a great project for > >>> potential game devs to cut their teeth on. > >>> > >>> Al. > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> > >>> * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > >>> > >>> ====== > >>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > >>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > >>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > >>> > >>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > >>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > >>> subsidiaries. > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean Hodges > >>> Sent: 15 April 2009 12:09 > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Developer Ethics > >>> > >>> > >>> Al, > >>> > >>> The source code is available on id's FTP server: > >>> > >>> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/ > >>> > >>> As I said, this excludes the game data, as that is still under a > >>> commercial licence. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_source_port indicates the Doom > >>>> source code is GPLed which means that the source should be freely > >>> available. > >>>> > >>>> Has anyone seen it? > >>>> > >>>> Al. > >>>> --- > >>>> > >>>> * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > >>>> > >>>> ====== > >>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > >>>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > >>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > >>>> > >>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > >>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > >>>> subsidiaries. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] > >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sean Hodges > >>>> Sent: 15 April 2009 11:23 > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Developer Ethics > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't see why not, ethically... Assuming he/she ported it, > >>>> packaged it, and paid for the market account to publish it. The > >>>> textures and game data are not covered by the GPL license I believe, > >>>> so he may need permission from id Software to sell that (don't take > >>>> my > >> word on that). > >>>> > >>>> Of course, whether it's a popular decision with the target audience > >>>> is a different issue altogether :) Also, someone else could legally > >>>> package Doom and distribute on the market for free, effectively > >>>> stealing the customer base. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> What do people think of the developer selling his Android port of > >>>>> the shareware version of Doom for $3.99 on Market? > >>>>> > >>>>> Al. > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> > >>>>> * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > >>>>> > >>>>> ====== > >>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > >>>>> company number 6741909. 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