IF you got a C&D letter they know where to find out. As a developer you are not doing something illegal until someone tells you you are.
On Oct 1, 3:03 pm, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > You would? > > I wouldn't. Not for fear, but for WHY? > Others wouldn't for fear... i.e. just disappear and maybe they won't > find you. > > On Oct 1, 10:48 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Any developer would have said something. > > If I got a letter I would have come to the Android community and said > > the same thing. > > As far as Google waiting to see if the developer got big. They knew > > being "open sourced" that people would have renditions of Android. > > They could have nipped this in the butt early. > > Its something they should have said from the get go. > > Secondly, developers get the code before everyone does. Look at donut > > and how it was out to developers and tester before it came out. > > Cyanogen might have gone online this year, but Android code was out > > way before that. > > As far as playing the waiting game? > > Come on. > > Google has always come off as a str8 forward company. > > There something going on here. > > > On Sep 30, 1:43 pm, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This isn't about how long android has been around. It is about how > > > long CYANOGEN has been around. MUCH LESS than a year. > > > > And again I ask... HOW DO YOU KNOW that no other rom developer > > > received a C&D? The answer is that YOU DON'T! In fact, go back and > > > read the FOURTH POST in THIS THREAD... hmm... is that Disconnect > > > claiming to have been C&D'd by google "way back"? Why yes, IT IS. > > > > On Sep 30, 12:31 pm, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It doesn't take a year to send a C&D letter. As soon as the first ROM > > > > was made by any developer Google had enough evidence to send a C&D > > > > letter. > > > > Google is not a small company. They have the money and lawyers to have > > > > dealt with this as soon as someone used one of their owned apps. > > > > I think they just waited to see how big this thing got. > > > > As far as how do I know it's been a yr? > > > > Well when did developers start making roms? > > > > When did the G1 come out? > > > > About a yr ago. > > > > > On Sep 30, 9:33 am, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Just because you don't read it doesn't mean it isn't binding. > > > > > And yes, I always read it. And understand it. > > > > > Why a year? > > > > > How do you know it was a year? > > > > > Maybe they C&D's Jesusfreke as well. Ever wonder WHY he quit? > > > > > Maybe others haven't been around long enough to bother with. It TAKES > > > > > TIME for the legal machinery to crank. > > > > > Maybe it was all OK until the new and at-the-time-unreleased market > > > > > app (it has now been released since 1.6 is now officially out on real > > > > > devices - ADP1) got into it. > > > > > > On Sep 29, 10:20 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Why did the take a yr to do this? > > > > > > Why not come off the bat and mention it? > > > > > > A lot of fine print is meant to drag and confuse people. > > > > > > DId you read the whole fine print in your credit card, cable tv, > > > > > > android phone, pc/mac OS? > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:35 am, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > That is only the case if you *DON'T READ*. > > > > > > > > Android is android -- see OHA, AOSP. > > > > > > > "With Google" means "With Google" -- see Google. > > > > > > > > When you sync with AOSP repo, the closed source "with google" > > > > > > > stuff is > > > > > > > NOT THERE. > > > > > > > > The licenses are ALL included IN YOUR PHONE. > > > > > > > Settings/About/Licenses. > > > > > > > Read them. Didn't know they were there? Your own fault for not > > > > > > > looking! > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 6:40 pm, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's not really that. Is that they provide android and the "with > > > > > > > > Google" experience yet they do not differentiate between both. > > > > > > > > Then a > > > > > > > > year later they provide the most recognized developer with a C&D > > > > > > > > letter. > > > > > > > > And who is to say this will stop? > > > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 5:12 pm, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is nothing more than a minor change in procedure. The > > > > > > > > > end results > > > > > > > > > are no difference EXCEPT that the lawyers will be happy. > > > > > > > > > > Read. > > > > > > > > > Think. > > > > > > > > > > The only reason people are "pissed off" is that they are too > > > > > > > > > dumb to > > > > > > > > > read and understand what is going on. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 3:17 am, W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well said. This is firing a bullet right into your own > > > > > > > > > > toes. No one > > > > > > > > > > is disputing Google's legal right to do this. It's about > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > fundamentally stupid it is to piss off your most ardent and > > > > > > > > > > technically savvy supporters. Unless Google reverses > > > > > > > > > > course here, the > > > > > > > > > > next few plays are pretty straightforward-- (1) cyanogen > > > > > > > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > > developers move to another platform (sucking air, advocacy, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > momentum from Android's adoption) or (2) a serious effort > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > underway to replace the proprietary .apks/apis with true > > > > > > > > > > open-source > > > > > > > > > > replacements-- a map app that uses openstreetmap (with > > > > > > > > > > turn-by-turn), > > > > > > > > > > a better IMAP client for gmail, an alternative market app > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > andappstore, etc. Eventually the IP-unencumbered > > > > > > > > > > alternatives will be > > > > > > > > > > as good or better than Google's offerings, and what will > > > > > > > > > > Google have > > > > > > > > > > gained? This is how it's worked with open-source since the > > > > > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > > > > of time. > > > > > > > > > > > It is strategically unwise for Google to publicly advocate > > > > > > > > > > FOSS > > > > > > > > > > development, build an entire platform on FOSS codebase, > > > > > > > > > > promote FOSS > > > > > > > > > > philosophy to win market share and mindshare, then take a > > > > > > > > > > massive dump > > > > > > > > > > all over their burgeoning development community and fan > > > > > > > > > > base. (and if > > > > > > > > > > you don't think that's what's happened, read the comments > > > > > > > > > > on xda- > > > > > > > > > > developers, android blogs, or most of the Google apps in > > > > > > > > > > the Market) > > > > > > > > > > > W > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 24, 8:08 pm, Josh Steiner <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is one of the stupidest moves I've seen a company do > > > > > > > > > > > in a while. > > > > > > > > > > > First, wait til an organic community developer group > > > > > > > > > > > forms around your > > > > > > > > > > > product, wait til they release improved version of your > > > > > > > > > > > free OS, let them > > > > > > > > > > > hype it to death for you... then C&D them out of > > > > > > > > > > > existence until they all go > > > > > > > > > > > tinker with Maemo or Linmo (or iPhone or Web OS) devices. > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter if Google, Inc are legally correct, > > > > > > > > > > > this is a boneheaded > > > > > > > > > > > business decision. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:03 PM, schwiz > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > So everytime I have seen someone ask about apps2sd for > > > > > > > > > > > > android, the > > > > > > > > > > > > response has been something along the lines of 'well if > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't like > > > > > > > > > > > > the space on the phone modify it yourself if its that > > > > > > > > > > > > easy' Someone > > > > > > > > > > > > takes this to heart and does it for free for thousands > > > > > > > > > > > > of users who > > > > > > > > > > > > are already supporting google and you shut them down? > > > > > > > > > > > > Now we have to > > > > > > > > > > > > pick between having space for apps on our phone -OR- > > > > > > > > > > > > not having the > > > > > > > > > > > > marketplace on our phone anymore so it doesn't even > > > > > > > > > > > > matter? I highly > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest if you are going to C&D cyanogen to give users > > > > > > > > > > > > who have PAID > > > > > > > > > > > > for a 'powered by google' android device to backup > > > > > > > > > > > > their google apps > > > > > > > > > > > > that they paid for. We have paid for the software we > > > > > > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > entitled to use it with any build of android we choose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, > > > > > > > > > > > > you might want to try taking user requests a little > > > > > > > > > > > > more seriously. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
