It's a matter of what Google considers the damage is. In the beginning the damages were minimal and not worthy of action. The mistake Google made was one of communication. They should have been more upfront with the community about what they considered off-limits for distribution, rather than waiting for perceived damages of X before responding. Google doesn't have much of a history with open-source communities and will have to learn how to coordinate legal and community aspects (if they hope to maintain a healthy community).
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > It doesn't take a year to send a C&D letter. As soon as the first ROM > was made by any developer Google had enough evidence to send a C&D > letter. > Google is not a small company. They have the money and lawyers to have > dealt with this as soon as someone used one of their owned apps. > I think they just waited to see how big this thing got. > As far as how do I know it's been a yr? > Well when did developers start making roms? > When did the G1 come out? > About a yr ago. > > > On Sep 30, 9:33 am, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just because you don't read it doesn't mean it isn't binding. > > And yes, I always read it. And understand it. > > Why a year? > > How do you know it was a year? > > Maybe they C&D's Jesusfreke as well. Ever wonder WHY he quit? > > Maybe others haven't been around long enough to bother with. It TAKES > > TIME for the legal machinery to crank. > > Maybe it was all OK until the new and at-the-time-unreleased market > > app (it has now been released since 1.6 is now officially out on real > > devices - ADP1) got into it. > > > > On Sep 29, 10:20 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Why did the take a yr to do this? > > > Why not come off the bat and mention it? > > > A lot of fine print is meant to drag and confuse people. > > > DId you read the whole fine print in your credit card, cable tv, > > > android phone, pc/mac OS? > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:35 am, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > That is only the case if you *DON'T READ*. > > > > > > Android is android -- see OHA, AOSP. > > > > "With Google" means "With Google" -- see Google. > > > > > > When you sync with AOSP repo, the closed source "with google" stuff > is > > > > NOT THERE. > > > > > > The licenses are ALL included IN YOUR PHONE. Settings/About/Licenses. > > > > Read them. Didn't know they were there? Your own fault for not > > > > looking! > > > > > > On Sep 28, 6:40 pm, Rob <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > It's not really that. Is that they provide android and the "with > > > > > Google" experience yet they do not differentiate between both. > Then a > > > > > year later they provide the most recognized developer with a C&D > > > > > letter. > > > > > And who is to say this will stop? > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 5:12 pm, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > This is nothing more than a minor change in procedure. The end > results > > > > > > are no difference EXCEPT that the lawyers will be happy. > > > > > > > > Read. > > > > > > Think. > > > > > > > > The only reason people are "pissed off" is that they are too dumb > to > > > > > > read and understand what is going on. > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 3:17 am, W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well said. This is firing a bullet right into your own toes. > No one > > > > > > > is disputing Google's legal right to do this. It's about how > > > > > > > fundamentally stupid it is to piss off your most ardent and > > > > > > > technically savvy supporters. Unless Google reverses course > here, the > > > > > > > next few plays are pretty straightforward-- (1) cyanogen and > other > > > > > > > developers move to another platform (sucking air, advocacy, and > > > > > > > momentum from Android's adoption) or (2) a serious effort gets > > > > > > > underway to replace the proprietary .apks/apis with true > open-source > > > > > > > replacements-- a map app that uses openstreetmap (with > turn-by-turn), > > > > > > > a better IMAP client for gmail, an alternative market app like > > > > > > > andappstore, etc. Eventually the IP-unencumbered alternatives > will be > > > > > > > as good or better than Google's offerings, and what will Google > have > > > > > > > gained? This is how it's worked with open-source since the > beginning > > > > > > > of time. > > > > > > > > > It is strategically unwise for Google to publicly advocate FOSS > > > > > > > development, build an entire platform on FOSS codebase, promote > FOSS > > > > > > > philosophy to win market share and mindshare, then take a > massive dump > > > > > > > all over their burgeoning development community and fan base. > (and if > > > > > > > you don't think that's what's happened, read the comments on > xda- > > > > > > > developers, android blogs, or most of the Google apps in the > Market) > > > > > > > > > W > > > > > > > > > On Sep 24, 8:08 pm, Josh Steiner <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is one of the stupidest moves I've seen a company do in > a while. > > > > > > > > First, wait til an organic community developer group forms > around your > > > > > > > > product, wait til they release improved version of your free > OS, let them > > > > > > > > hype it to death for you... then C&D them out of existence > until they all go > > > > > > > > tinker with Maemo or Linmo (or iPhone or Web OS) devices. > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter if Google, Inc are legally correct, this is > a boneheaded > > > > > > > > business decision. > > > > > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:03 PM, schwiz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So everytime I have seen someone ask about apps2sd for > android, the > > > > > > > > > response has been something along the lines of 'well if you > don't like > > > > > > > > > the space on the phone modify it yourself if its that easy' > Someone > > > > > > > > > takes this to heart and does it for free for thousands of > users who > > > > > > > > > are already supporting google and you shut them down? 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