Naresh, I don't think it was intended by any EC members nor DG. Rather, it was forced from outside, so it is a problem.
Rgs, Masato Yamanishi On 14/03/24 20:15, "Naresh Ajwani" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Masato, Hi, > > "I think real issue in Monte Video statement is somebody (I guess ICANN) > forced other internet bodies > to sign it urgently without allowing enough consultation time with communities > of each organizations." > > What can be the reason? Is it because majority of EC's sovereign's position is > contrary? > > Regards & best wishes > > Naresh Ajwani > > On 24 Mar 2014 23:55, "Masato Yamanishi" <[email protected]> wrote: >> All, >> >> I think real issue in Monte Video statement is somebody (I guess ICANN) >> forced other internet bodies >> to sign it urgently without allowing enough consultation time with >> communities of each organizations. >> >> And, as I wrote in previous e-mail, similar situation is going again. >> http://mailman.apnic.net/mailing-lists/apnic-talk/archive/2014/03/msg00054.ht >> ml >> >> I have big concern since it may break the multi-stake holder model. >> >> Rgs, >> Masato Yamanishi >> >> >> >> On 14/03/23 7:20, "Naresh Ajwani" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks Maemura for your response; >>> >>> ".... it was signed off by Paul after the EC authorized, which itself was >>> not recorded, and the EC afterward ratified the support and announced >>> it...." >>> >>> Yes EC had ratified it after more than 3 & 1/2 months of signing it. >>> >>> " I understand your point. It might need some improved procedure of ours to >>> have increased transparency." >>> >>> Appreciate your response. I think the same is being advocated by others >>> participating in this thread mail. Transparency is a must as the >>> concerns/issues are obvious and yes, mistakes can happen. >>> >>> Regards & best wishes >>> >>> Naresh Ajwani >>> >>> On 23 Mar 2014 08:12, "MAEMURA Akinori" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Naresh, >>>> >>>> They are usually over conversations on the EC's mailing-list, and not yet >>>> been really recorded for the sake of disclosure. >>>> >>>> We have an electronic voting process to make decision between quarterly EC >>>> meetings, but I haven't thought it really suitable for these. With that >>>> though, in case of Montevideo Statement, it was signed off by Paul after >>>> the EC authorized, which itself was not recorded, and the EC afterward >>>> ratified the support and announced it. >>>> >>>> I understand your point. It might need some improved procedure of ours to >>>> have increased transparency. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Akinori >>>> >>>> >>>> (2014/03/23 11:19), Naresh Ajwani wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Maemura, hi >>>>> > >>>>> > Masato; Do you mean that DG had signed it before consulting EC nor >>>>> members as >>>>>> > > there was not enough time? >>>>>> > > Does it comply with APNIC by-laws 54? It says; >>>>> > Maemura; "I am sure he has been in full touch with the EC to proceed >>>>> these issues and signed them under the EC's authorization." >>>>> > >>>>> > Is it part of any Munute of Meeting or mails and if in public domain? >>>>> > >>>>> > Transparency wud help more. I am still waiting for the plans if any, I >>>>> had asked for in this thread mails >>>>> > >>>>> > Regards & best wishes >>>>> > >>>>> > Naresh Ajwani >>>>> > >>>>> > On 23 Mar 2014 06:37, "MAEMURA Akinori" <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Masato, >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > (2014/03/21 11:18), Masato Yamanishi wrote: >>>>>> > > Maemura-san and EC members, >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Thank you for sharing EC's view. >>>>>> > > Let me quote your statement in slightly different order to make >>>>>> my comment. >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >> Technically speaking on the basis of our governing provisions, >>>>>>> > >> the Executive Council has function to act on behalf of the Members >>>>>>> > >> in the interval between AGMs, and to manage the activities, >>>>>>> functions >>>>>>> > >> and affairs of APNIC. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> More practically, the EC represents the Membership to manage APNIC's >>>>>>> > >> activity, >>>>>>> > >> and need to comply the will of the Membership, sometimes with the >>>>>>> > >> broader community. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> We have the power to authorise the activity by DG and >>>>>>> Secretariat for >>>>>>> > >> the Membership, >>>>>>> > >> but need to synchronise our thought on the authorization with the >>>>>>> > >> Membership. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> That is why we set a timeslot to discuss the Internet >>>>>>> Governance issue >>>>>>> > >> in the AMM this time, >>>>>>> > >> after we announced our support for Montevideo Statement in January. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > It complies with APNIC by-laws 30, so I don't see any problem from >>>>>> > > procedure perspective. >>>>> > Yes, as you see the wording in my message was in accordance with it. >>>>> > >>>>>> > > BUT, >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >> Montevideo Statement was crafted among the I* CEOs in the >>>>>>> situation, as >>>>>>> > >> Tony has already told, >>>>>>> > >> with very limited time allowance with very quick moves at that time, >>>>>>> > >> and so was the I*'s reaction to NTIA statement. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Do you mean that DG had signed it before consulting EC nor >>>>>> members as >>>>>> > > there was not enough time? >>>>>> > > Does it comply with APNIC by-laws 54? It says; >>>>> > I am sure he has been in full touch with the EC to proceed these >>>>> issues and signed them under the EC's authorization. >>>>> > >>>>> > Akinori >>>>>> > > 54. The main functions of the Director General are: >>>>>> > > a. to act as the chief executive officer of APNIC and the >>>>>> corporation; >>>>>> > > b. to have, subject to the provisions of these by-laws and to the >>>>>> > > direction of the Executive Council, the responsibility for the general >>>>>> > > management and control of the activities, functions and affairs >>>>>> of APNIC >>>>>> > > and the corporation and shall perform all duties and have all >>>>>> powers which >>>>>> > > are commonly incident to the office of chief executive or which are >>>>>> > > delegated by the Executive Council; >>>>>> > > c. to execute all contracts, agreements and other instruments of the >>>>>> > > corporation which are authorised including affixing the Seal of the >>>>>> > > corporation; >>>>>> > > d. to appoint and have general supervision and direction of all of the >>>>>> > > other staff and agents of APNIC and the corporation, including but not >>>>>> > > limited to bookkeeping, accounting and treasury functions on >>>>>> behalf of the >>>>>> > > Treasurer; >>>>>> > > e. to implement strategic policies, prepare plans for APNIC, and shall >>>>>> > > coordinate its activities, functions and affairs; >>>>>> > > f. to report to the Executive Council and to put forward >>>>>> resolutions for >>>>>> > > the consideration of the Executive Council; >>>>>> > > g. to take all the actions required to ensure the economic use of >>>>>> > > APNIC's resources and shall be responsible to the Executive >>>>>> Council for >>>>>> > > all the administrative and financial aspects of APNIC's >>>>>> activities; >>>>>> > > h. to act as the legal representative of APNIC and the >>>>>> corporation; >>>>>> > > i. to act as an ex-officio member of the Executive Council. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Rgs, >>>>>> > > Masato Yamanishi >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On 14/03/19 0:12, "MAEMURA Akinori" <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >> Dear Masato, Pranesh and everyone, >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> I know this is very late response for your request for the EC >>>>>>> to clarify. >>>>>>> > >> Apologies. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> At Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:41:35 -0700 >>>>>>> > >> In message <cf4cc73d.85d7d%[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:cf4cc73d.85d7d%[email protected]> >>>>>>> <mailto:cf4cc73d.85d7d%[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:cf4cc73d.85d7d%[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> > >> "Re: [apnic-talk] IANA Globalization Progress" >>>>>>> > >> "Masato Yamanishi <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>" wrote: >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> | Pranesh and All, >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>>> > >> | While I'm not new to APNIC, I have same question/concern. >>>>>>> > >> | Can EC clarify it? >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> Montevideo Statement was crafted among the I* CEOs in the >>>>>>> situation, as >>>>>>> > >> Tony has already told, with very limited time allowance with >>>>>>> very quick >>>>>>> > >> moves at that time, and so was the I*'s reaction to NTIA >>>>>>> statement. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> Technically speaking on the basis of our governing provisions, the >>>>>>> > >> Executive Council has function to act on behalf of the Members in the >>>>>>> > >> interval between AGMs, and to manage the activities, functions and >>>>>>> > >> affairs of APNIC. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> More practically, the EC represents the Membership to manage APNIC's >>>>>>> > >> activity, and need to comply the will of the Membership, >>>>>>> sometimes with >>>>>>> > >> the broader community. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> We have the power to authorise the activity by DG and >>>>>>> Secretariat for the >>>>>>> > >> Membership, but need to synchronise our thought on the >>>>>>> authorization with >>>>>>> > >> the Membership. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> That is why we set a timeslot to discuss the Internet >>>>>>> Governance issue in >>>>>>> > >> the AMM this time, after we announced our support for >>>>>>> Montevideo >>>>>>> > >> Statement in January. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> It was great to see very active discussion there, and that it >>>>>>> triggered >>>>>>> > >> the continued discussion on line. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> As Masato points out, now Paul is more engaged in the activity of >>>>>>> > >> coordination among our fellow organizations and ITU arena, >>>>>>> which is based >>>>>>> > >> on the EC's authorization. We authorize becuase we think it needed. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> I understand it looks like politics game with little thing, if not >>>>>>> > >> nothing, to do with Members' own business. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> However from the viewpoint of a company whose business is serving >>>>>>> > >> community with Internet Resource, one of which is APNIC, it is really >>>>>>> > >> important to address the risk of unwanted non-viable >>>>>>> arrangement and to >>>>>>> > >> have people with other stakes understand our position. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> Moreover, as already mentioned, the forthcoming couple of years >>>>>>> are quite >>>>>>> > >> crucial stage for us to keep our healthy business environment. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> That's why we authorize these activities by Secretariat, and >>>>>>> what we need >>>>>>> > >> to have you understand. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> As we have many things to come, Director General and the EC >>>>>>> will have >>>>>>> > >> more communication each other to consider these actions, than we have >>>>>>> > >> already been doing. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> I know, through my own business, that how Internet Governance >>>>>>> issues are >>>>>>> > >> difficult for people (e.g. of tech community) to realize, I am still on >>>>>>> > >> the way to find how I can couple the issue we confront >>>>>>> adequately with >>>>>>> > >> community's interest. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> The EC needs to have the Membership's support with >>>>>>> well-informed consent, >>>>>>> > >> and of course we need to change our thought just in case we >>>>>>> found it was >>>>>>> > >> not of the Membership and community, and I hope the current >>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>> > >> will valuable for the purpose. >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> Sincerely, >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> MAEMURA Akinori, my own hat on, but I am sure the EC well >>>>>>> sheres these >>>>>>> > >> points >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> | Rgs, >>>>>>> > >> | Masato Yamanishi >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>>> > >> | On 14/03/14 23:01, "Pranesh Prakash" <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>>> > >> | >Tony Smith [2014-03-14 21:42]: >>>>>>> > >> | >> As I'm sure you appreciate, the news from the US has just arrived >>>>>>> > >> this >>>>>>> > >> | >>morning and a lot of the details are still coming to light. We're >>>>>>> > >> | >>planning to prepare something that explains what this >>>>>>> development >>>>>>> > >> means >>>>>>> > >> | >>in more detail when more information is confirmed. >>>>>>> > >> | > >>>>>>> > >> | >I'm sorry, but I'm new to APNIC's lists. >>>>>>> > >> | > >>>>>>> > >> | >Was there any consultation within APNIC before APNIC's >>>>>>> leader's name >>>>>>> > >> was >>>>>>> > >> | >added to this statement? Could you also point me towards the >>>>>>> community >>>>>>> > >> | >consultation / mailing list discussions that took place >>>>>>> before the >>>>>>> > >> | >Montevideo Declaration was signed as something APNIC >>>>>>> endorsed? >>>>>>> > >> | > >>>>>>> > >> | >> But for now, we wanted to alert everyone to this news and the fact >>>>>>> > >> | >>consultation will begin in our region in Singapore. >>>>>>> > >> | > >>>>>>> > >> | >Could you outline the intra-APNIC consultations (i.e., not >>>>>>> the ICANN >>>>>>> > >> | >consultations about which ICANN's published a document) that >>>>>>> will take >>>>>>> > >> | >place with regard to this? Which mailing list will these >>>>>>> discussions >>>>>>> > >> be >>>>>>> > >> | >directed towards? >>>>>>> > >> | > >>>>>>> > >> | >-- >>>>>>> > >> | >Pranesh Prakash >>>>>>> > >> | >Policy Director, Centre for Internet and Society >>>>>>> > >> | >T: +91 80 40926283 <tel:%2B91%2080%2040926283> >>>>>>> <tel:%2B91%2080%2040926283> | W: http://cis-india.org >>>>>>> > >> | >------------------- >>>>>>> > >> | >Access to Knowledge Fellow, Information Society Project, Yale Law >>>>>>> > >> School >>>>>>> > >> | >M: +1 520 314 7147 <tel:%2B1%20520%20314%207147> >>>>>>> <tel:%2B1%20520%20314%207147> | W: http://yaleisp.org >>>>>>> > >> | >PGP ID: 0x1D5C5F07 | Twitter: >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash >>>>>>> > >> | > >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>>> > >> | _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > >> | apnic-talk mailing list >>>>>>> > >> | [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> > >> | http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apnic-talk >>>>>>> > >> | >>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > apnic-talk mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> > http://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/apnic-talk >>>>> > >>>>
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