Will. I discredit your views because you are standing behind a false identity parroting claims that have been thoroughly examined and debunked. Claims which are so similar in nature to the NRS propaganda that it does make one question who you might be.
Your comparision is disasterously flawed, I stand by my real name because (frankly speaking) nearly every contributing member who pays attention knows what I stand for, the work I’ve done. I literally wrote the initial version of the by-law changes that enacted last September, which received a huge resounding support from the voting community. I’ve been threatened and even had people attempt lawsuits on me. So no, you standing behind a fake name vs my real identity aren’t the same concept, frankly I find the comparison stupid. How about you shape up and tell us all who you really are, I doubt you’ll have to go through the lawsuits, death threats and all other barage of garbage I’ve gone though. What do you have to lose? I think I can safely say people know my integrity, what they don’t know is yours. Talking about flawed logic, APNIC is a membership driven organisation, I haven’t seen a membership driven power company. Last time I checked I can’t tell Energy Australia how to run their show. You stand up for a silent group, which is exactly that, a silent group. If people were so concerned they’d be making posts to orbit a lot more often, not these parrot claims only once/twice a year when an EC election is upon us. I have said very publicly before that I am not apposed to reforms within apnic and other RIRs, I recognise faults that exist in them, however I actually go about providing solutions not mudding the waters and sowing the seeds of doubt. You saying “we pay APNIC to get IP addresses, that’s ALL” – This shows a complete lack of awareness to the supporting systems that go into making those addresses work. Come out from the shadows. Thanks, Karl Kloppenborg. From: Owens Will <[email protected]> Date: Friday, 19 January 2024 at 6:49 pm To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [apnic-talk] Re: EC elections - Urgent Call for Transparent Governance and Fiscal Responsibility at APNIC I do believe that a significant number of APNIC members don't care about the APNIC business, don't want to join APNIC meetings, they are not even in this "Orbit" talk. They pay money to get some IP addresses from APNIC, that's it, that's ALL. I am here to stand for them. Just as we don't closely follow the power company's activities every quarter when paying the electricity bill, they are members for a similar reason. And about NRS, I know they've been throwing around similar questions with some malicious intent. Just because NRS asked doesn't mean the questions are false or the issues don't exist. As previously mentioned, attacking my hidden identity to discredit my views is fundamentally flawed in logic. Same concept as you are using real identities doesn't inherently prove the truthfulness or integrity of your statements. I understand that personal interests may drive some to challenge my perspective, especially those seeking positions in SIG elections or for whatever reason that might want to get support from the APNIC secretariat. In essence, it seems to be a different approach with similar motives, akin to the situation with NRS. I've shared my thoughts enough, and everyone is free to judge the validity of my points. BTW, you won't see me in Bangkok, as I mentioned above, we pay APNIC to get IP addresses, that's ALL. Goodbye. On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:37 AM Christopher Hawker <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Just a minor correction to my last e-mail. Point 3 should have read: 3. If you look at the P&L Statement on page 4 you'll note that "Employee benefits expense" amounts to $17,174,941 which covers payroll. There are more staff involved in the operations of APNIC than what is on their Team page. Let’s look at the 137 staff they have listed and allow for another 13 staff who aren’t shown. This averages at around $115k per staff member, which covers their base salary, leave accruals and 11% superannuation. Some will receive more, and some will receive less. This is quite a reasonable average. Payroll is one of the largest expenses any organisation has, and to get quality staff with the skills and expertise they have you need to be able to offer quality remuneration. Regards, Christopher Hawker _______________________________________________ APNIC-talk - https://mailman.apnic.net/[email protected]/ To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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