I worked in Florida as a horticulturalist for ten years and in California for twenty. I found that even though parts of Florida and parts of California had the same climate zones, many things would not grow in both areas. For example, the plant, Croton, (Codiaeum variegatum) a common house plant will grow like crazy outdoors in Miami, it will not grow at all outdoors in San Diego. Some parts of San Diego have never had a freeze (Miami has) but Croton will not grow outdoors there. Italian cypress grows like crazy in Southern California, but does poorly in Florida. Summer is tomato time in California, but in Florida, tomatoes are a fall or early spring crop. I believe it is possible (gut feeling here) that Bud 9 does best with cool summer nights. The Pacific Northwest has cool summer nights whereas the East and midwest have warm summer nights. Here in Montana we commonly have 90 degree highs in the summer with a 35-40 degree drop at night. I found this to be the answer to the growing differences between Florida and California. Where many assume it is humidity - not so- as I have seen cool nights in humid greenhouses in California have the same limiting effect. My thoughts...
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Jon Clements <[email protected]>wrote: > Simple solution -- pre-order and plant them 2 ft. X 10 ft. Will make you, > and the nursery, happy...:-) > > Jon > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kushad, Mosbah M <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I have had little luck with Gala, Fuji, and Honeycrisp filling their >> spaces when grafted on Bud 9. Central Illinois has one of the richest soils >> in the country, but that does not seem to make a difference. Bud 9 reminds >> me of Mark, it start great, but it slows down considerably after five plus >> years of growth. Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Vincent Philion >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:53 PM >> *To:* Apple-Crop >> >> *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] M9-Nic29 winter hardiness**** >> >> ** ** >> >> No doubt that B9 is extremely winter hardy.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If you pamper those trees so they grow, it could be ok.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Our Honeycrisp/B9 never filled their space (12’ x 4’)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Others had good results with that combination =**** >> >> ** ** >> >> >> http://www.hrt.msu.edu/assets/PagePDFs/ronald-perry/Rootstocks-for-Honeycrisp2.pdf >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Vincent**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 24oct., 2013, at 16:39, Hugh Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:*** >> * >> >> >> >> **** >> >> My concerns are winter damage. In the last 80 years here in Western >> Montana, temps have been recorded to -33F. -20 F is almost guaranteed >> every year. I see a problem in that snow cover all winter is not common. >> My first leaf Honeycrisp (planted in April) 1/2 inch trees cut back to >> about 34 inches are now 6-7 feet, and have outgrown M26 Suncrisp planted at >> the same time, same conditions. I do keep the nutrients at high levels. Ph >> is 7.0 to 7.4 with a silt -loam soil at 3300 feet elevation. If I thought >> Nic29 would take the weather here I would use those. All of your comments >> are very helpful, please keep them coming,**** >> >> Hugh**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Vincent Philion < >> [email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> Hi! As a plant pathologist, I love B9 because it is tolerant to >> fireblight. We’ve grown nice and productive trees on B9. However, I agree >> with Mr. Norton = our experience with HoneyCrisp/B9 is not a good one.*** >> * >> >> ** ** >> >> Vincent**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 24oct., 2013, at 15:45, <[email protected]> < >> [email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> Hugh, we have been growing Granny Smith, Zestar and Pristine here at >> Royal Oak Farm on M9 in far northern Illinois for about 4 years now and >> have had good results. We also have Honeycrisp on Bud9 planted at the same >> time and they are half the size of the M9. We have decided to not use Bud9 >> again due to its slow growth pattern for our silty clay loam soil type. >> Hope this helps!**** >> >> **** >> >> Dennis Norton >> Royal Oak Farm Orchard >> 15908 Hebron Rd. >> Harvard, IL 60033-9357 >> Office (815) 648-4467 >> Mobile (815) 228-2174 >> Fax (609) 228-2174 >> http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com >> http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com**** >> >> ----- Original Message -----**** >> >> *From:* Gary Snyder <[email protected]>**** >> >> *To:* Apple-crop discussion list <[email protected]>**** >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:33 PM**** >> >> *Subject:* Re: [apple-crop] M9-Nic29 winter hardiness**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hugh:**** >> >> According to the Washington Tree Fruit Research Commission M9-Nic29 >> rootstock is under the category of (fair) for cold hardiness.**** >> >> Their rankings range Tolerant, Good and Fair.**** >> >> Gary Snyder**** >> >> C & O Nursery**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Hugh Thomas >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:18 AM >> *To:* Apple-crop discussion list >> *Subject:* [apple-crop] M9-Nic29 winter hardiness**** >> >> **** >> >> Does anyone have any experience with the winter hardiness of M9-Nic29 >> rootstock? 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