Some growers in NY's Hudson Valley prefer to plant Honeycrisp on B9 because they feel these trees are less prone to biennial bearing and can be cropped more heavily each year compared with Honeycrisp on M9. Our experience is that planting Honeycrisp/B9 at higher density and not cropping in years 1 & 2 can produce a very productive orchard. Mike
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Clements Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:26 PM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: Re: [apple-crop] M9-Nic29 winter hardiness Simple solution -- pre-order and plant them 2 ft. X 10 ft. Will make you, and the nursery, happy...:-) Jon On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Kushad, Mosbah M <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I have had little luck with Gala, Fuji, and Honeycrisp filling their spaces when grafted on Bud 9. Central Illinois has one of the richest soils in the country, but that does not seem to make a difference. Bud 9 reminds me of Mark, it start great, but it slows down considerably after five plus years of growth. Mosbah Kushad, University of Illinois From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Vincent Philion Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 3:53 PM To: Apple-Crop Subject: Re: [apple-crop] M9-Nic29 winter hardiness No doubt that B9 is extremely winter hardy. If you pamper those trees so they grow, it could be ok. Our Honeycrisp/B9 never filled their space (12' x 4') Others had good results with that combination = http://www.hrt.msu.edu/assets/PagePDFs/ronald-perry/Rootstocks-for-Honeycrisp2.pdf Vincent On 24oct., 2013, at 16:39, Hugh Thomas <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: My concerns are winter damage. In the last 80 years here in Western Montana, temps have been recorded to -33F. -20 F is almost guaranteed every year. I see a problem in that snow cover all winter is not common. My first leaf Honeycrisp (planted in April) 1/2 inch trees cut back to about 34 inches are now 6-7 feet, and have outgrown M26 Suncrisp planted at the same time, same conditions. I do keep the nutrients at high levels. Ph is 7.0 to 7.4 with a silt -loam soil at 3300 feet elevation. If I thought Nic29 would take the weather here I would use those. All of your comments are very helpful, please keep them coming, Hugh On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Vincent Philion <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi! As a plant pathologist, I love B9 because it is tolerant to fireblight. We've grown nice and productive trees on B9. However, I agree with Mr. Norton = our experience with HoneyCrisp/B9 is not a good one. Vincent On 24oct., 2013, at 15:45, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hugh, we have been growing Granny Smith, Zestar and Pristine here at Royal Oak Farm on M9 in far northern Illinois for about 4 years now and have had good results. We also have Honeycrisp on Bud9 planted at the same time and they are half the size of the M9. We have decided to not use Bud9 again due to its slow growth pattern for our silty clay loam soil type. Hope this helps! Dennis Norton Royal Oak Farm Orchard 15908 Hebron Rd. Harvard, IL 60033-9357 Office (815) 648-4467<tel:%28815%29%20648-4467> Mobile (815) 228-2174<tel:%28815%29%20228-2174> Fax (609) 228-2174<tel:%28609%29%20228-2174> http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com<http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com/> http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com<http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Snyder<mailto:[email protected]> To: Apple-crop discussion list<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [apple-crop] M9-Nic29 winter hardiness Hugh: According to the Washington Tree Fruit Research Commission M9-Nic29 rootstock is under the category of (fair) for cold hardiness. Their rankings range Tolerant, Good and Fair. Gary Snyder C & O Nursery From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Hugh Thomas Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:18 AM To: Apple-crop discussion list Subject: [apple-crop] M9-Nic29 winter hardiness Does anyone have any experience with the winter hardiness of M9-Nic29 rootstock? ________________________________ _______________________________________________ apple-crop mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop _______________________________________________ apple-crop mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop Vincent Philion, agr., M.Sc. 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