Hi
"Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> SH> but it is a Gate$ware crasher as well.
>> ?? JavaScript was invented by Netscape Corporation
>> (it was named LiveScript, and because of some extremely silly
>> considerations was renamed to JavaScript)
>> Java is a platform _INDEPENDANT_ (eg the EXACT opposit of Gate$ware
>> ...) OO programming language
SH> If it were invented by Netscape,
It WAS invented by Netscape !!
SH> then Bill Gates should have taken the same consideration he does with
SH> anything else invented by Netscape. He should have designed his
SH> operating system and browser to be incompatible with Java Script.
SH> If Bill would have been smart enough to do that, then Java Script
SH> would have never have taken off the ground.
He HAS !!!!
But the reactions forced him, to make it a bit more compatible ....
IMHO Internet Exploder has still MANY quirks in JS support ...
PS: I don't consider this behaviour smart, IMHO it's the worst thing
anybody can do !!
Or do you also think that it was great, that Windows had a 'bug' preventing
Windows to run with DrDOS properly ??
Or what do you say to the 'bug' that sends parts of your registry to a
microsoft internet server ??
IMHO this is NOT smart .... this is silly !!!!!!!
>> But I haven't seen any browser that has THAT MUCH trouble with JS.
SH> There are many others on this list who have had THAT MUCH trouble
SH> with JS. If you haven't, then you may consider yourself very lucky.
:)))
I really haven't !
>> All browsers fall into 2 categories.
>> 1) they don't know JS; and therefore ignore it (JS is embedded in
>> tags, so they do automatically ignore it.) 2) they know JS. 2a) JS
>> is turned on -> JS is interpreted
SH> In this case it is frequently interpreted as sh*t, and it might crash
SH> your machine accordingly.
Turn it off ... :)))
>> 2b) JS is turned on -> JS is ignored.
SH> It would be better to ignore it than to interpret it as sh*t.
No problem ... turn it off ....
Arachne does this automatically for you :))
But sadly she has many problems ignoring it .. also when the script is
corretcly put in a comment, and therefore shouldn't be parsed !!
>> Arachne falls in category 1.
>> BUT it has big problems ignoring JS. (category 2b has absolutely
>> _NO_ problems)
SH> Category 2b has some problems. With MSIE you will sometimes receive
SH> an error message saying that you will need to enable Java Script in
SH> order for the page to be displayed.
I have never used Internet Exploder, and I _NEVER_ will ...
but this is another category of idiots making webpages.
JS was designed to give more possibilities, if the browser supports it, and
should be ignored, if the browser does not support it.
>> Don't you mean Java ??
>> I have never heared of BSODs because of JavaScript.
SH> I realize that there are technical differences between Java Script
SH> and Java,
Yes ... there are some minor differences ... :)))
Like heaven and hell :)
JavaScript is a very small interpreted language.
JAVA is a full featured, platform independant language, which is mainly
used to write 'normal' programms, but it has also the possibility to make
Applets (programms run in the browser's sandbox)
Actually there are some EXTREMELY good things you can do with an Applet ...
but 99.9999% are extremely silly little animations, or moving flags, or
other unnecessary stuff ...
SH> but because of my well-founded prejudices in this regard, I will
SH> stereotype all of the above as bad.
Don't you think that this is not a good basis for a discussion ??
Eg with Java you can write a program once, compile it to bytecode, and run
it on EVERY computer and OS, that has a Java Virtual Machine ...
Eg it runs under Windows, Solaris, VMS, BE, Linux, BSD, HP-UX, AIX .......
Without any change in the code !!
It's not as fast as C++, but it has an amazing variety in support
libraries.
(I had the same prejudices as you ... but this year I'm forced to write
some programs in Java ... and it really is not that bad)
PS: M$ tries to extinct Java (and reied it with JavaScript) this is for me
a sign, that Java is NOT bad !!!
SH> When you hold a prejudice against an entire category, you aren't
SH> interested in making distinctions among sub-categories.
But they are NOT in the same category ..
With JavaScript you can change the image under the mouse, popup a Window,
store a cookie, and basically that's it (ok .. there are some other things
...)
With Java, you can write Office suits, you can write EXCELENT distributed
systems (with the help of Remote Message Invocation, CORBA ...)
SH> Furthermore, you will have a natural inclination to
SH> resist anyone's attempt to "reform" your views.
Than we are VERY different :)))
I hear what other people say, and think if it makes sense ...
SH> Such is the nature of prejudice, and it is OK for us to hold
SH> prejudices that don't involve hatred of other people.
Sure it is OK ... but one can also change his/her views ....
SH> Turning off JS will quite frequently prevent you from accessing any
SH> portion or any aspect of the web-site.
Idiotic webmasters !!
But saying that we should all abandon Computers, because some people use
them to hack into other computers is not a good solution in my point of
view !
SH> It would be nice if web-site developers would design their pages so
SH> as to display the straight-up HTML portions for those who elect to
SH> turn off JS or for those whose browsers have no JS capability.
It is meant that way !
>> Why should Bill Gates train Windows to ignore JS ??
SH> If Bill Gates should train Window$ to ignore JS, then most web-site
SH> developers would stop using it.
He can't ... the developers INSIST that it can display it ...
SH> If this were to hopefully happen, then other browser developers would
SH> not even have to resort to programming all of the bloat necessary for
SH> dealing with it. Then everybody will be happy.
Except those who like JS ....
And there are many (not necessarily including myself)
>> I don't see your point ??
>> Why should we abandon JS ?? Only because Arachne has problems with
>> it. (which are caused ba bugs in arachne, and not by JS)
SH> I don't care whether the bugs are in Arachne or in MSIE or in JS. If
SH> JS were entirely abandoned altogether, then all these problems would
SH> disappear.
?? Why not abandon the internet .... you will not have any slow downloads,
or crowded sites !
>> Most people (OS independant) are already happy with JS.
SH> Why are they happy with it?
Ask them not me ...
They like the design possibilities it offers.
SH> What kind of essential browsing functions can you accomplish with JS
SH> that you can't do with straight-up HTML?
Why are there HTML versions greater than 1.0 ??
1.0 did offer every essential browsing function ....
SH> All the best,
SH> Sam Heywood
CU, Ricsi
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