Hi Samuel!
09 Mar 2001, "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Why the **** are you using Internet Exploder ???????
SH> I use Internet Explorer only when it is very important for me to
SH> find some information on a web page that is JavaScript-infested and
SH> when the information isn't readily available anywhere else except on
SH> the badly designed web page.
I thought that this is what Netscape is for ...
SH> I'm using Internet Explorer because that is what came with my
SH> computer when I bought it new ca. 1996.
So you are exactly doing what M$ wants you to do, and for what it has been
sued.
You know that there are alternatives ?
SH> At that time Bill Gates had total control over all of the computer
SH> manufacturers were licensed to provide systems with Windows.
You are
1) free to let a small company build you a customized computer from the
parts you tell them to use.
2) even if you buy from a big company you can format c:
PS: In germany a user sued a computer company, because they didn't want to
give him the money for windows back, which he didn't need, and so returned
the CD to the seller ...
guess what ... he won !
SH> He didn't allow any of them to provide any non-Micro$oft browsers in
SH> the computers they were marketing.
Why not buy from another company ??
And furthermore you are free to do what you want with YOUR computer after
you have bought it. (this includes using a little program called ieremove,
which completely removes internet explorer from your computer [a thing
which M$ until now states that is impossible], and you are also free to
install custom programs like Netscape or Opera)
SH> Furthermore, the customers were not even permitted the option of
SH> buying a computer without an operating system installed if the
SH> computer manufacturer and the retail dealer were licensed to provide
SH> Windows.
You sure use the wrong company ...
I have bought many computers ... none had windows preinstalled.
SH> You were not allowed to buy a new PC without Windows from
SH> anyone except the black-market dealers.
This DEFINITLY can't be true.
go to a small computer company, buy a mainboard, a HDD, ....
and let them make a computer out of them. (or do it yourself)
Nevertheless, it is YOUR Computer after you bought it, so you can make
format c: after you bought it.
SH> BTW, I personally feel that when licensing laws result in such an
SH> oppressive situation, then the the people should be encouraged to
SH> violate such laws.
I know that America is VERY strange (at least to us europeans).
But I can't imagine that such a law could be passed.
What exactly is this law all about ?
>> SH> and that the only program out there that can deal with it is
>> SH> Internet Explorer 5.5.
>> Netscape and propably Opera should work.
>> The only situation where they will fail is if the site uses (radio)
>> active X.
SH> The situation failed because Internet Explorer would not allow me to
SH> view the logon page because the list of security certificate
SH> validation authorities is out of date.
Can't you manually override this ??
Netscape can do that. (and I have used it often with Netscape 3 at my
university)
>> (PS: You should be able to use even the outdated version ...
>> if you explicitly tell IE that you trust the key that the server
>> sends.)
SH> What do I need to do to tell IE that I trust the key that the server
SH> sends, and what do you suppose the chances are that my account
SH> information and my password might be disclosed to an evil snoop or a
SH> criminal?
I don't know ...
I'm refusing to use internet exploder !!!
Netscape pops up a windows telling you that the cert has expired, and
there you can simply go on ...
The risk of exposing your details is VERY low.
SH> I have SSL with Lynx386. With Lynx386 I got to the https logon
SH> page. When I submitted my logon Lynx386 returned an error message
SH> saying "Unsupported URL scheme -- JavaScript!"
So you can't blame it ALL on Billyboy.
You simply need a program which supports SSL and JavaScript.
Both of which are free. And there are free GPL implementations of both.
And you know that Bill G. called the GPL an evil thing from hell.
SH> I have deactivated Active X on my browser. Therefore Active X has
SH> nothing to do with my problem.
Than you can use any SSL and JavaScript capable browser ...
why not simply install Netscape and delete IE ???
>> How to access the site ??
SH> Yes, of course that was the question.
use a ssl and JS capable browser.
>> Install netscape 3, and ignore the message that the certs are
>> outdated and need a roll-over.
SH> Are you fairly sure that will work? If I do install NetScape 3 and
SH> fail to get the results I am hoping for, will it be easy to
SH> uninstall?
yes and yes
SH> One thing I really hate about Windows programs is that they are
SH> often so difficult to uninstall unless you know about such things as
SH> editing the System Registry and the INI files and such. I haven't
SH> got the time or the patience to learn all of that because I rarely
SH> use Windows anyway.
under all later windows versions (everything newer than win 3.11)
you have a software uninstall application.
It's not perfect, but it is not bad.
>> The problem is not the 128 bit encryption.
SH> Yes, I know that is not the problem, but that is what the techies
SH> told me was the problem. Even DOS Lynx386 can do 128 bit
SH> encryption. If it were not for all the JavaScript I could get in
SH> with Lynx386.
So you answered your own question ... see subject
SH> Regards,
SH> Sam Heywood
CU, Ricsi
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