How realistic would that be? :) well, the reality is users comes with different experience, expertise (and we need to support them) so we got, Leanness + shorter startup time at the expense of 'introducing a possibility for user to make a mistake'. I would rather eliminate 'room for error' that reducing start up time (given that this doesn't effect performance critical paths). thoughts?
regards Ramith On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > Then those devops should be fired! If they are proper devops people, they > should have scripts for everything. > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Ramith Jayasinghe <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My concern is would this become a problem when devops users forget to run >> these when needed (- might lead to errors that could have been prevented at >> the penalty of delay in start up sequence.). >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No need to make the packs bloated by packing in all the patches & adding >>> unnecessary overhead. With C5, leanness & performance are core requirements. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Nandika Jayawardana <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If the server startup time is the only concern, why not provide an >>>> option for the user to disable executing these tools instead. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Nandika >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Ramith Jayasinghe <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> how would the user experience change due to this? >>>>> would that impose additional burden on dev ops? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Sameera Jayasoma <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> +1. Yes, running them separately will improve the startup time as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 for running these separately. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Kishanthan Thangarajah < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We need to decide on how to include following tools for C5. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. jar-to-bundle-convertor >>>>>>>> 2. patching tool >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In C4, these tools were part of the distribution and they run >>>>>>>> during the initial stages of server startup before the OSGi runtime is >>>>>>>> initialized and started. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For C5, our idea is *not* to run these tools during server startup, >>>>>>>> but ask the users to run them separately. One of the reason for this is >>>>>>>> that they will delay the server startup time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These tools will still be part of the the build/distribution but >>>>>>>> they will have to be manually executed. For example, the >>>>>>>> jar-to-bundle-convertor can be run externally and all the converted >>>>>>>> bundles >>>>>>>> will be copied in to dropping directory and bundles.info file will >>>>>>>> also be updated by the tool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Kishanthan Thangarajah* >>>>>>>> Associate Technical Lead, >>>>>>>> Platform Technologies Team, >>>>>>>> WSO2, Inc. >>>>>>>> lean.enterprise.middleware >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mobile - +94773426635 >>>>>>>> Blog - *http://kishanthan.wordpress.com >>>>>>>> <http://kishanthan.wordpress.com>* >>>>>>>> Twitter - *http://twitter.com/kishanthan >>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/kishanthan>* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Afkham Azeez* >>>>>>> Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com >>>>>>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >>>>>>> * <http://www.apache.org/>* >>>>>>> *email: **[email protected]* <[email protected]> >>>>>>> * cell: +94 77 3320919 <%2B94%2077%203320919>blog: * >>>>>>> *http://blog.afkham.org* <http://blog.afkham.org> >>>>>>> *twitter: **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez* >>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez> >>>>>>> *linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez >>>>>>> <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez>* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Lean . 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Middleware* >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Architecture mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ramith Jayasinghe >> Technical Lead >> WSO2 Inc., http://wso2.com >> lean.enterprise.middleware >> >> E: [email protected] >> P: +94 777542851 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Architecture mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.wso2.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/architecture >> >> > > > -- > *Afkham Azeez* > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > * <http://www.apache.org/>* > *email: **[email protected]* <[email protected]> > * cell: +94 77 3320919 <%2B94%2077%203320919>blog: * > *http://blog.afkham.org* <http://blog.afkham.org> > *twitter: **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez* > <http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez> > *linked-in: **http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez > <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez>* > > *Lean . 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