Yes, that makes sense. We could do some validations just to ensure that everything is in order.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Neil Custer <[email protected]> wrote: > It would take just a small bit of code on the product startup to ensure > that the bundles.info file exists and/or was updated since the product > was installed. If not, then exit the product startup with an error message > indicating the need to run those scripts before starting the product. > > > > - Neil > > > > Neil R. Custer > > Sr. Systems Engineer/Developer > > Eagle Technology Group, LLC > > 618.589.9380 > > 618.531.2559 (mobile) > > 1728 Corporate Crossing > > O'Fallon, IL 62269 > > > > *From:* Architecture [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of > *Ramith Jayasinghe > *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2015 5:04 AM > *To:* architecture <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Chiranga Alwis <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [Architecture] [C5] Including carbon-tools with product > distribution > > > > How realistic would that be? :) > > well, the reality is users comes with different experience, expertise (and > we need to support them) > > so we got, Leanness + shorter startup time at the expense of 'introducing > a possibility for user to make a mistake'. > > I would rather eliminate 'room for error' that reducing start up time > (given that this doesn't effect performance critical paths). > > thoughts? > > > > regards > > Ramith > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > > Then those devops should be fired! If they are proper devops people, they > should have scripts for everything. > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Ramith Jayasinghe <[email protected]> > wrote: > > My concern is would this become a problem when devops users forget to run > these when needed (- might lead to errors that could have been prevented at > the penalty of delay in start up sequence.). > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > > No need to make the packs bloated by packing in all the patches & adding > unnecessary overhead. With C5, leanness & performance are core requirements. > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Nandika Jayawardana <[email protected]> > wrote: > > If the server startup time is the only concern, why not provide an option > for the user to disable executing these tools instead. > > > > Regards > > Nandika > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Ramith Jayasinghe <[email protected]> > wrote: > > how would the user experience change due to this? > > would that impose additional burden on dev ops? > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Sameera Jayasoma <[email protected]> > wrote: > > +1. Yes, running them separately will improve the startup time as well. > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Afkham Azeez <[email protected]> wrote: > > +1 for running these separately. > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Kishanthan Thangarajah < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We need to decide on how to include following tools for C5. > > > > 1. jar-to-bundle-convertor > > 2. patching tool > > > > In C4, these tools were part of the distribution and they run during the > initial stages of server startup before the OSGi runtime is initialized and > started. > > > > For C5, our idea is *not* to run these tools during server startup, but > ask the users to run them separately. One of the reason for this is that > they will delay the server startup time. > > > > These tools will still be part of the the build/distribution but they will > have to be manually executed. For example, the jar-to-bundle-convertor can > be run externally and all the converted bundles will be copied in to > dropping directory and bundles.info file will also be updated by the tool. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > -- > > *Kishanthan Thangarajah* > > Associate Technical Lead, > > Platform Technologies Team, > > WSO2, Inc. > > lean.enterprise.middleware > > > > Mobile - +94773426635 > > Blog - *http://kishanthan.wordpress.com <http://kishanthan.wordpress.com>* > > Twitter - *http://twitter.com/kishanthan <http://twitter.com/kishanthan>* > > > > > > -- > > *Afkham Azeez* > Director of Architecture; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > > > * email: **[email protected]* <[email protected]> > * cell: +94 77 3320919 <%2B94%2077%203320919> blog: * > *http://blog.afkham.org* <http://blog.afkham.org> > * twitter: **http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez* > <http://twitter.com/afkham_azeez> > * linked-in: http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez > <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/afkhamazeez>* > > > > Lean . 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