Larry, I think you intended this for ARIN-2014-14? On that proposal I would agree to /20 as a compromise.
Thanks, Jeff On Jun 25, 2014 11:43 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:04:17 -0700 > Andrew Dul <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The problem described below appears to be more related to the current >> 3-month window for additional allocations, not necessarily the >> utilization metric. The 3-month window has had a number of >> side-effects, some of which were not anticipated when that policy was >> put in place. With run-out in the region approaching rapidly we need to >> turn our attention to the longer term policies which will support the >> desires of the community (as best possible) through the transfer market >> or other mechanisms. Changing the utilization formula (for those >> requests which do require a formal needs assessment) may be part of the >> policy changes which are needed. >> >> Some of the problem of the formula are long standing. If your last > allocation > was a /22 and you have a larger customer come to you with a legitimate and > clear need for a /22 or /21 you have no way of getting it no matter what % > utilization > is in the policy. It has always seemed to me, that "need" should have a > lot more to > do with what you are going to do with the requested allocation, and what > is available > in your current allocations, than some arbitrary utilization percentage. > The > problem is that ARIN would then have to get into network design arguments. > > The argument that just removing the needs test for smaller allocations > entirely > has some merit. The problem seems to be in defining what is small. A > compromise of /20 has > been suggested and I think it's reasonable. Even though I support needs > testing I can support removing it at a /20 and smaller. > > Larry Ash > > Andrew >> >> On 6/24/2014 1:08 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote: >> >>> This is the problem I'm trying to solve and why I've been so vocal about >>> it. >>> Steven Ryerse >>> President >>> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 >>> 770.656.1460 - Cell >>> 770.399.9099- Office >>> >>> ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. >>> Conquering Complex Networks℠ >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Tim Gimmel >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:04 PM >>> To: [email protected] List >>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy discussion - Method of >>> calculatingutilization ARIN-2014-17 >>> >>> >>> The problem is that the current process has disenfranchised smaller >>>> companies who are somewhat frequently requesting space under the 3 month >>>> need projection and are ending up with many /22's, /21's etc instead of the >>>> /20 or /19 that would have been possible prior to austerity measures. >>>> To make matters worse, it does not seem that such companies are >>>> substantially represented on PPML so it is creating an illusion that the >>>> policy is not necessary or would not be supported by the community at large >>>> (outside of PPML). >>>> >>>> This is exactly what is happening, for example I have 4 /20's and a >>> /19 from earlier days, but now I have 7 /21's and that is the most I will >>> ever be able to request. We are using every possible way to keep IPv4 >>> usage down. >>> >>> --Tim >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> > > Larry Ash > Network Administrator > Mountain West Telephone > 123 W 1st St. > Casper, WY 82601 > Office 307 233-8387 > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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