BoT will decide WRT this being "out of scope" for the PDP, IMHO. OTOH, do you BET?
Marilson Em qua, 1 de mai de 2019 às 17:18, Joe Provo <[email protected]> escreveu: > > He Carlos, > > On Wed, May 01, 2019 at 08:52:58PM +0100, Carlos Fria?as wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 May 2019, Joe Provo wrote: > > > > (...) > > >> By way of analogy, ARIN paints the lines on the roads and strongly > encourages > > >> everyone to stay in their own lane and to try to drive at all times > on the > > > [snip] > > > > > > Nope; ARIN is a registry. More appropriate analogies would be a > > > registry of deed or title that manage policy regarding subdividing > > > the same. When there's a conflict regarding such registrations in > > > the Real World (in our region), you go to law enforcement and courts. > > > Shockingly, that's what's encouraged in our cases. > > > > Hi, > > > > I have some trouble with the "registry of deed or title" analogy, > because > > those (as i understand it) don't have a distribution function, nor are > > membership-based. > > "Distribution function" is indeed merely agreeing that the data > recorded in the registry is accurate. There's no dibursement of > anything. When we bought our house and land, the registry of > deeds was similar only involved in verifying that the transfer > from the previous holders to us was a valid contract within the > scope of its operations (the state in which we live). When a > neighbor was doing a construction project and we had to go block > their heavy equipment, the registrar of deeds sure didn't come > and settle the dispute. We went down, got the county map and > they agreed. if they hadn't, law enforcement and courts would > have been the next step. > > This, like all Internet analogies, is poor; my thrust is that rfg's > is worse. To parallel ARIN with a transportation agency's "line > drawing" and officials embued with law enforcement is wildly off > track. > > [snip] > > > This proposal conflates the PDP work by the community on the NRPM > > > with ARIN's legal work on [L]RSA. IMO, the proper approach would > > > be to file through ACSP, since it specifically exists to take > > > "suggestion[s] regarding an existing or potential ARIN service > > > or practice" (https://account.arin.net/public/acsp). Very simply, > > > suggesting the ARIN BoT update the RSA with very specific language > > > regarding hijacking and calling out specific actions or remedies. > > > > I'm not sure i got all of it :-) > > Do you think that will work regarding already signed RSAs...? > > I invite you to review the RSA FQA ( > https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa_faq/ ) where > this is specifically addressed under the question "The RSA has > limited ARIN's authority to modify the agreement without prior > consent, as described in section 1(d)(the same authority was in > an unnumbered paragraph previously). What is the change about?" > > > > That at least express the desired norms in contract, despite the > > > reality that most perps will not be under that contract. > > > > You are saying a new rule is bad because will not catch all or the > > majority of cases...? > > No, I'm saying this is pointles as the ARIN NRPM (as driven > through the PDP) is not the place to speak to ARIN legal > agreements ([L]RSA) or business practices. But that is now > up to the BoT to decide WRT this being "in scope" for the PDP. > > Cheers, > > Joe > > -- > Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. > Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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