> On Dec 16, 2021, at 12:57 , Amy Potter <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Opinions were fairly divided here, but it sounds like a decent number of you 
> may be open to or prefer if we made adding an abuse URL optional, and keeping 
> the abuse POC as mandatory. I've edited the text of this draft policy in that 
> direction. Please let me know what you think.

I suggest require at least one of the two. An organization that has a (working) 
abuse URL should not be forced to maintain an abuse POC IMHO.

While I think the text below is a step towards a good solution, I do not think 
it is quite there yet.

Owen


> Amy
> Section 2.12- add “Organizations may provide an optional abuse URL for 
> reporting abuse.” to end of paragraph.
> Section 4.2.3.7.3.2: add “and may have an optional abuse URL” after “Each 
> private downstream residential reassignment must have accurate upstream Abuse 
> and Technical POCs” so the sentence reads…
> “Each private downstream residential reassignment must have accurate upstream 
> Abuse and Technical POCs and may have an optional abuse URL visible on the 
> WHOIS or Distributed Information Service record for that block.”
> Section 6.5.5.3.1:  add “and may have an optional abuse URL” after “Each 
> private downstream residential reassignment must have accurate upstream Abuse 
> and Technical POCs” so that the sentence reads...
>  “Each private downstream residential reassignment must have accurate 
> upstream Abuse and Technical POCs and may have an optional abuse URL visible 
> on the WHOIS or Distributed Information Service record for that block.”
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:18 PM ARIN <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
> wrote:
> On 21 October 2021, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-303: 
> Make Abuse Contact Useful" as a Draft Policy.
> 
>  
> 
> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7 is below and can be found at:
> 
>  
> 
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_7/ 
> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_7/>
>  
> 
> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will 
> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft 
> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in 
> the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
> 
>  
> 
> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
> 
> * Technically Sound
> 
> * Supported by the Community
> 
>  
> 
> The PDP can be found at:
> 
>  
> 
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ 
> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>
>  
> 
> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> 
>  
> 
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ 
> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Sean Hopkins
> 
> Senior Policy Analyst
> 
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> 
>  
> 
> Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful
> 
>  
> 
> Problem Statement:
> 
>  
> 
> ARIN’s process of attaching an abuse contact to resource records is of 
> limited utility. The phone number is often an unmanned voicemail that refers 
> the caller to a web page while the email address is commonly an 
> auto-responder which does the same. Because the emails often involve 
> problematic content they can get lost in filters making it hard to even find 
> the URL let alone get an abuse report to go through. This is further 
> exacerbated by folks who write programs to automatically generate unverified 
> abuse reports and email them to the ARIN contact, flooding the mailbox with 
> useless reports that no human being is assigned to look through.
> 
>  
> 
> With responsible network providers, the process for dealing with network 
> abuse instead usually starts with a web page. The web page provides 
> instructions and may offer forms for describing the abuse and uploading 
> supporting material of the nature that the service provider needs in order to 
> take action.
> 
>  
> 
> It would be helpful for ARIN to support the abuse reporting process they 
> actually use.
> 
>  
> 
> Policy statement:
> 
>  
> 
> Strike -
> 
>  
> 
> From 2.12 “and one valid abuse”
> 
>  
> 
> From 3.6.2 “Abuse”
> 
>  
> 
> Add:
> 
>  
> 
> 2.1.2 To “organization information must include…zip code equivalent,” add “an 
> abuse reporting URL”
> 
>  
> 
> 4.2.3.7.3.2: replace “upstream Abuse and Technical POCs " with “upstream 
> Technical POCs and URLs for reporting abuse”
> 
>  
> 
> 6.5.5.3.1: replace “upstream Abuse and Technical POCs " with “upstream 
> Technical POCs and URLs for reporting abuse”
> 
>  
> 
> Timetable for implementation: Whenever
> 
>  
> 
> Anything Else:
> 
>  
> 
> Initial implementation suggested to replace the abuse POC with a URL pointing 
> to ARIN’s display of the same POC record which was used for abuse reporting. 
> Should support multiple URLs so that if desired an organization can specify 
> both “mailto:somebody@here <mailto:somebody@here>” and “tel:1234567” if 
> that’s how they actually want abuse reported to them.
> 
>  
> 
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