Adding that definition alone, without anything referencing it, seems pretty pointless to me. Getting active consensus for a definition (by anything other than apathetic acceptance) seems difficult without any context for how the definition will be used.
IMO anyone with a use for a new definition should propose their new policy text, along with the supporting definition, as a new proposal, and we should abandon this one. -Scott On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 4:28 PM Pellak, Kaitlyn <[email protected]> wrote: > Scott, > > > > To clarify, the current draft policy is to propose the addition of a > definition for IP addresses that are reserved for specific purposes by ARIN: > > > > Policy Statement: > > > Add the following definition to Section 2 > > > 2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses > Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but > not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6 > deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN. > > > Timetable for Implementation: Immediate. > > > > The change to text I included in my request for feedback was an example of > how the definition could be put into place, only *if* the proposed > definition were added to the NRPM. We felt that gaining community input on > the definition itself would be the first step and if it the definition were > to be accepted then a follow-up policy to enact the changes in the NRPM > would be submitted. > > > > If you have thoughts about the current language in the proposed definition > that would be helpful in determining whether or not we should move forward. > > > > Thanks, > > Kaitlyn > > > > Kaitlyn Pellak > > Amazon – Technical Business Developer II > > [email protected] > > 301.921.5566 > > > > [image: > /Users/tinam/Library/Containers/com.microsoft.Outlook/Data/Library/Caches/Signatures/signature_1323502979] > > > > > > > > *From: *Scott Leibrand <[email protected]> > *Date: *Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 7:09 PM > *To: *Kaitlyn Pellak <[email protected]> > *Cc: *ARIN <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL] [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2024-7: Addition of > Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses > > > > *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > That would be a very substantial change. It should be proposed separately. > > > > I don't see the point of making changes to definitions that aren't > referenced anywhere. If you want to add a new definition in order to more > clearly make a substantive policy change, then that definition (and the > text referencing it) should be included in the substantive policy proposal. > If we decide not to make the substantive change, we don't need to change > definitions either. > > > > -Scott > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:22 AM Pellak, Kaitlyn via ARIN-PPML < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hello PPML, > > I am soliciting any additional feedback the community may have on the > below policy. Please note, we received one comment suggesting that rather > than using the term "2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses" we could > instead use the term "Defined Purpose IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses." If anyone > in the community feels this is better language (or has a suggestion for > different language) please respond accordingly. > > If the community are able to agree on language surrounding a definition > there would be subsequent policies to update the language in the NRPM to > match. The author provided an example of what that may look like as follows: > > "Section 4.3.2 > > Change paragraph 1 text > FROM: “End-user organizations without an IPv4 allocation from ARIN qualify > for > an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation size.” > TO: “End-user organizations without a Reserved (or Defined Purpose) IPv4 > allocation > from ARIN qualify for an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation > size.”" > > Given the lack of responses we've received thus far I would also like to > pose the question to the community: do you feel that this is a policy the > AC should continue to work on? > > Again, if the community feels strongly one way or another please respond > in the PPML so we can gain a sense of whether or not this policy has > community support. > > Much appreciated, > Kaitlyn > > Kaitlyn Pellak > Amazon – Technical Business Developer II > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > 301.921.5566 > > > > > > > > > > On 12/13/24, 1:42 PM, "ARIN-PPML on behalf of ARIN" < > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf > of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > > > > The following Draft Policy has been revised: > > > * ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP > Addresses > > > Revised text is below and can be found at: > > > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/ < > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/> > > > You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will > evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with > ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the > Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: > > > * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration > * Technically Sound > * Supported by the Community > > > > > The PDP can be found at: > > > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ < > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/> > > > > > Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: > > > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ < > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/> > > > > > Regards, > > > Eddie Diego > Policy Analyst > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > > > Draft Policy ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special > Purpose IP Addresses > > > Problem Statement: > > > The Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) often treats general purpose and > special purpose IP addresses differently. Unfortunately, we don’t have a > convenient to use term to describe these categories, so policy often > becomes either excessively wordy or does not correctly capture the intent. > Examples of this can be found in section 4.1.8 of the NRPM, and in > (currently pending) Draft Policies ARIN-2023-8 (where the fact that 4.4 and > 4.10 space isn’t counted against an organization is repeated numerous > times) and ARIN-2022-12 (where the text does not exclude 4.4 and 4.10 > allocations from being counted against an organization, but it is the > intent that those allocations should be ignored). Additionally, temporary > allocations under section 11 are rarely carved out, even when 4.4 and 4.10 > are, even though it is likely the policy’s intent that these too should be > ignored. > > > Policy Statement: > > > Add the following definition to Section 2 > > > 2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses > Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but > not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6 > deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN. > > > Timetable for Implementation: Immediate. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml < > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > >
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