On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 21:04 Scott Leibrand <[email protected]> wrote:
> Adding that definition alone, without anything referencing it, seems > pretty pointless to me. Getting active consensus for a definition (by > anything other than apathetic acceptance) seems difficult without any > context for how the definition will be used. > > IMO anyone with a use for a new definition should propose their new policy > text, along with the supporting definition, as a new proposal, and we > should abandon this one. > > -Scott > This makes sense to me. > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 4:28 PM Pellak, Kaitlyn <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Scott, >> >> >> >> To clarify, the current draft policy is to propose the addition of a >> definition for IP addresses that are reserved for specific purposes by ARIN: >> >> >> >> Policy Statement: >> >> >> Add the following definition to Section 2 >> >> >> 2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses >> Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but >> not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6 >> deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN. >> >> >> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate. >> >> >> >> The change to text I included in my request for feedback was an example >> of how the definition could be put into place, only *if* the proposed >> definition were added to the NRPM. We felt that gaining community input on >> the definition itself would be the first step and if it the definition were >> to be accepted then a follow-up policy to enact the changes in the NRPM >> would be submitted. >> >> >> >> If you have thoughts about the current language in the proposed >> definition that would be helpful in determining whether or not we should >> move forward. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kaitlyn >> >> >> >> Kaitlyn Pellak >> >> Amazon – Technical Business Developer II >> >> [email protected] >> >> 301.921.5566 >> >> >> >> [image: >> /Users/tinam/Library/Containers/com.microsoft.Outlook/Data/Library/Caches/Signatures/signature_1323502979] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Scott Leibrand <[email protected]> >> > >> *Date: *Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 7:09 PM >> *To: *Kaitlyn Pellak <[email protected]> >> *Cc: *ARIN <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL] [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2024-7: Addition of >> Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP Addresses >> >> >> >> *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do >> not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and >> know the content is safe. >> >> >> >> That would be a very substantial change. It should be proposed >> separately. >> >> >> >> I don't see the point of making changes to definitions that aren't >> referenced anywhere. If you want to add a new definition in order to more >> clearly make a substantive policy change, then that definition (and the >> text referencing it) should be included in the substantive policy proposal. >> If we decide not to make the substantive change, we don't need to change >> definitions either. >> >> >> >> -Scott >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:22 AM Pellak, Kaitlyn via ARIN-PPML < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hello PPML, >> >> I am soliciting any additional feedback the community may have on the >> below policy. Please note, we received one comment suggesting that rather >> than using the term "2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses" we could >> instead use the term "Defined Purpose IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses." If anyone >> in the community feels this is better language (or has a suggestion for >> different language) please respond accordingly. >> >> If the community are able to agree on language surrounding a definition >> there would be subsequent policies to update the language in the NRPM to >> match. The author provided an example of what that may look like as follows: >> >> "Section 4.3.2 >> >> Change paragraph 1 text >> FROM: “End-user organizations without an IPv4 allocation from ARIN >> qualify for >> an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation size.” >> TO: “End-user organizations without a Reserved (or Defined Purpose) IPv4 >> allocation >> from ARIN qualify for an initial allocation of ARIN’s minimum allocation >> size.”" >> >> Given the lack of responses we've received thus far I would also like to >> pose the question to the community: do you feel that this is a policy the >> AC should continue to work on? >> >> Again, if the community feels strongly one way or another please respond >> in the PPML so we can gain a sense of whether or not this policy has >> community support. >> >> Much appreciated, >> Kaitlyn >> >> Kaitlyn Pellak >> Amazon – Technical Business Developer II >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> 301.921.5566 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/13/24, 1:42 PM, "ARIN-PPML on behalf of ARIN" < >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf >> of [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not >> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know >> the content is safe. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The following Draft Policy has been revised: >> >> >> * ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special Purpose IP >> Addresses >> >> >> Revised text is below and can be found at: >> >> >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/ < >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2024_7/> >> >> >> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will >> evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this Draft Policy with >> ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the >> Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: >> >> >> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration >> * Technically Sound >> * Supported by the Community >> >> >> >> >> The PDP can be found at: >> >> >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/ < >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/> >> >> >> >> >> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: >> >> >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/ < >> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Eddie Diego >> Policy Analyst >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) >> >> >> >> >> Draft Policy ARIN-2024-7: Addition of Definitions for General and Special >> Purpose IP Addresses >> >> >> Problem Statement: >> >> >> The Number Resource Policy Manual (NRPM) often treats general purpose and >> special purpose IP addresses differently. Unfortunately, we don’t have a >> convenient to use term to describe these categories, so policy often >> becomes either excessively wordy or does not correctly capture the intent. >> Examples of this can be found in section 4.1.8 of the NRPM, and in >> (currently pending) Draft Policies ARIN-2023-8 (where the fact that 4.4 and >> 4.10 space isn’t counted against an organization is repeated numerous >> times) and ARIN-2022-12 (where the text does not exclude 4.4 and 4.10 >> allocations from being counted against an organization, but it is the >> intent that those allocations should be ignored). Additionally, temporary >> allocations under section 11 are rarely carved out, even when 4.4 and 4.10 >> are, even though it is likely the policy’s intent that these too should be >> ignored. >> >> >> Policy Statement: >> >> >> Add the following definition to Section 2 >> >> >> 2.18 Reserved IPv4 and IPv6 Addresses >> Addresses that are reserved by ARIN for specific purposes including, but >> not limited to; maintaining critical infrastructure, facilitating IPv6 >> deployment, or temporary experimental purposes as approved by ARIN. >> >> >> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] <mailto: >> [email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml < >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience >> any issues. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> >> _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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