Whats wrong with the group these days? Why does one have to get so personal about things? The abusing here is not surprsing, but how this was moderated and sent across to the group is.
On 6/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Friends i feel sorry to say this. CHord please stop as you said you know > lot about INDIAN MUSIC. be realistic & true to yourself. are you for > raghuman or for yourself just to do more posts & over do. by limited > writing you wont lose importance. It looks pity. by over & over > highlighting on same things you want to see posts-like from ricky pc speak > for other mds & finally tapey falling into ilayaraja groove. Chord you > are the one coming with music by other mds & as part of music lovers > universally no one will deny if you wanna speak on other mds. > > My mom > who is singing for Bharata Natyam performances asking this guy Chord to > elaborate on beautiful Padams & Javalis please, as he claimed, know > lot about Indian Music ? She is laughing at this guy of suddenly putting > raghuman in high spirits as no other person in indian music & another > day he bbrings in many recommendations for some old & new music of other > mds he finds special in it only to insist not in raghumans. To keep on > insisting, this is it, this is > not, with their [know lot about INDIAN MUSIC attitude] shows > only immaturity with lack of exposure on INDIAN MUSIC BLENDED WITH > CULTURES. if you want to claim anything kindly add [to my limited knowledge > on hindi music & genres]. > > human minds are in sick arrangement when > it finds something new & irresistible it is ready to throw other > things without realizing its existed value be it music or be crazy > writing to forums to gain importance only to be seen obsessed. > if i listen to certain composers, in certain languages & > certain genres, i cannot put views in public with a bold claim [i know > lot about INDIAN MUSIC & this is it], to my limited exposure. both > old & new worlds music has provided us gems with > various musicians > in many genres. > > dear friend for dance performances she used to give a mix of some nice > hindi bhajans, marati > abhangs, telugu kirtans, kannada dasar padams, viruttams in sanskrit > shlokas > with tamil padams & thillanas. it just not applies to her but to any > vocal support singer for dance performances. My mom is a fan of sdburman, > rdburmani, mohd rafi, mukesh, lata mangeshkar, Kishori Amonkar, begum > parveen sultana, pt.Jasraj, Bhimsen > Joshi, jagjit singh, anup jalota, ghulam ali, G.N.Balasubramaniam, > M.L.Vasantha Kumari, K.V.Mahadevan, M.S.V., Maragathamani, TMS, suseela, > p.leela, spb, janaki, p.b.s., jesudas & > ofcourse AR & Ilayaraja & many more of singers & composers > & musicians that consume my time. > > She will find > the ragas & taal in Michael Jacksons music & rhythms. She is a fan > of > beetles. She wont miss the news related to grammy awards. She will list out > the > ragas & their bhava family they belong from the mind blowing > orchestrations > & bgms in hollywood movies. Two americans are students to my mom > learning how to vocal support for this classical form of art. Chord you dont > have any other work & idling here only to create record on posts with > ill intentions & not on facts. > > > > Coming to limitations on another claim, tastes are changing to trends & > generations. before raghuman era people were definitely enjoying raja's > brilliance. Non-tamil fans who dont know about good & the best songs of > other tamil mds cannot understand these facts sadly & for their limited > exposure on richer side of tamil music on traditional, classical & by > films. Raja may > not be interested to learn urdu & hindi to jump into bollywood to try > there. Raja just for a decade now stands 2nd to raghuman in creativity. I > would ask why heros from various states dont try their luck in bollywood. > Why > even Kamal & Rajini could not find a constant place in bollywood with > their > talents. It is difficult business-wise considering the style of > living, > language & what the society demand in films in that culture at > that time. > > May be ilayaraja is satisfied with what he does at the period when > raghuman is very junior & not in action. Raja is contented with the > money & entertaining tamil fans as far as possible. I believe even > if raja gets more hindi films he wont deviate or cheat tamil fans from > giving best music also to tamil films at later stages in a way of > thanking the soil & his first fans which is not in the case of > raghuman. Like this guy Chord is sick of putting posts thinking himself > as the best critic who learnt all forms of Indian Music, Raghuman is > sick after money forgetting his good old tamil fans who want to listen > to some best tunes even for that few tamil films he is working in. > when fans claim Raja could not do what raghuman did in bollywood they > forgot, what fans & critics in north claim as the famous A to Z of > bollywood composers, why such bollywood composers could not step into > Hollywood ? Or why the 60s, 70s & 80s of bollywood tunes could not > impress any westerners to use them in Hollywood movies ? Or is it possible > for them to give some soul > stirring music in south indian films. Let them find a place 2nd to > raghuman. But who is > interested from there to do music down south even they are offered with the > best deal ? Most of > them won't be interested by their basic life-style, preference & also > due to limited > knowledge on culture & language. Those so-called ace bollywood > composers were in a situation of could not even dream to take their tunes to > Hollywood movies or to win internationally. Himesh is a rare case slipped > into dasavataram which is not soul stirring. Ilayaraja will do more justice > to dasavataram. > Let us see how raghuman is going to be successful in hollywood movies as > main composer? It is not that easy to satisfy that audience. He is > going to reach 20th year & he finds hard with this creativity to stamp > in hollywood. He cannot easily get into that sort of music. Just for > his bits n pieces used there he has not reached the peak in hwd. Fans > claim Raja could not do what raghuman did. but fans forgot the famous old > & new bollywood composers also could not do what raghuman doing > now. 1 out of > 100 will stand out. > > There is a constant change. This is raghuman era of > music regard to films. After raghumans retirement someone will be > popular ! Friends just because your music knowledge is limited upto that > you tend to omit the certain facts & become partial. Try to be balanced, > be truthful before coming to post about musicians & music. There are > people for every good music & every talented musician means there are > many good music & many talented musicians as far as INDIA is concerned. > > It is Limited to Film music about Raghuman, the only one in whole india to > make west have keen interest not just to listen, to use & perform his > tunes only for a decade now. If you take great musicians from Carnatic & > hindustani genres they are winning their part for many decades performing > & spreading its popularity in the West without announcements & from > where many westerners are interested on our culture & learning these > genres. Most people who are listening only film music are not aware of these > things as other genres are out of glamour world. As a music lover in broader > sense, i am for raghuman when bollywood music fans & critics want to > pull him down, i am for ilayaraja when it is kollywood for raghuman failed > to maintain standards here & i will speak for the best ever valued > traditional genres (carnatic & hindustani) when film music lovers ignore > them without knowing its values. i give due respect to all INDIAN FILM > Composers & all INDIAN MUSICIANS who perform for different genres. VIC. > > --- "Chord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote: > > Don't make such assumptions. I know a lot about Indian music. None of these > composers have the range and versatility of ARR and have used these > instruments in the specific way ARR has. Of course, many have used solo > instruments, but ARR's specialty relies not just in the fact that he uses > them, but how he uses them. > > > --- "Ricky" <rickypc@> wrote: > > Buddy...my guess is you haven't listened to any other Indian music then :) > Haven't you heard Shankar Jaikishan using Accordian in Awara, S.D.Burman > using Kalyanji's 'been' in Nagin, R.D.Burman using harmonica in Aradhana, > Jatin Lalit using piano in Pehla Nasha, Vishal using guitar in Satya, Anu > Malik using violin in Baazigar, Shiv Hari using Santoor and flute in > Chandni, ....gosh the list can really go on and on!!! > > >
