Re:[arr] ARRs focus on solo instruments-overdoing on INDIAN MUSIC?

[fani kalyan]

Dude why r u so much agitated and overreacted...chord only said 'these' and 
these implies to the MDs ricky mentioned!and thats true..!I dont understand why 
you u have written so much abt ur mom likes and dislikes..and whos this 
Raghuman??neva heard his name b4:P

   "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote:      
Friends i feel sorry to say this. CHord please stop as you said you know lot 
about INDIAN MUSIC. be realistic & true to yourself. are you for 
raghuman or for yourself just to do more posts & over do. by limited 
writing you wont lose importance. It looks pity. by over & over 
highlighting on same things you want to see posts-like from ricky pc speak for 
other mds & finally tapey
 falling into ilayaraja groove. Chord you are the one coming with music by 
other mds & as part of music lovers universally no one will deny if you 
wanna speak on other mds.

My mom 
who is singing for Bharata Natyam performances asking this guy Chord to 
elaborate on beautiful Padams & Javalis please, as he claimed, know 
lot about Indian Music ? She is laughing at this guy of suddenly putting 
raghuman in high spirits as no other person in indian music & another 
day he bbrings in many recommendations for some old & new music of 
other mds he finds special in it only to insist not in raghumans. To keep on 
insisting, this is it, this is 
not, with their [know lot about INDIAN MUSIC attitude]  shows 
only immaturity with lack of exposure on INDIAN MUSIC BLENDED WITH CULTURES. if 
you want to claim anything kindly add [to my limited knowledge on hindi music 
& genres].

human minds are in sick
 arrangement when 
it finds something new & irresistible it is ready to throw other 
things  without realizing its existed value be it music or be crazy 
writing to forums to gain importance only to be seen obsessed.
if i listen to certain composers, in certain languages 
& certain genres, i cannot put views in public with a bold claim [i know
lot about INDIAN MUSIC & this is it], to my limited exposure. both
old & new worlds music has provided us gems with 
various  musicians
in many genres.
 
dear friend for dance performances she used to give a mix of some nice 
hindi bhajans, marati 
abhangs, telugu kirtans, kannada dasar padams, viruttams in sanskrit shlokas 
with tamil padams & thillanas. it just not applies to her but to any 
vocal support singer for dance performances. My mom is a fan of sdburman, 
rdburmani, mohd rafi,
 mukesh,  lata mangeshkar, Kishori Amonkar, begum parveen sultana, 
pt.Jasraj, Bhimsen 
Joshi, jagjit singh, anup jalota, ghulam ali, G.N.Balasubramaniam , 
M.L.Vasantha Kumari, K.V.Mahadevan, M.S.V., Maragathamani, TMS, suseela, 
p.leela, spb, janaki, p.b.s., jesudas & 
ofcourse AR & Ilayaraja & many more of singers & 
composers & musicians that consume my time. 

She will find 
the ragas & taal in Michael Jacksons music & rhythms. She is a 
fan of 
beetles. She wont miss the news related to grammy awards. She will list out the 
ragas & their bhava family they belong from the mind blowing 
orchestrations 
& bgms in hollywood movies. Two americans are students to my 
mom learning how to vocal support for this classical form of art. Chord you 
dont have any other work & idling here only to create record on posts 
with ill intentions & not on
 facts.

 

Coming to limitations on another claim, tastes are changing to trends & 
generations. before raghuman era people were definitely enjoying raja's 
brilliance. Non-tamil fans who dont know about good & the best songs of 
other tamil mds cannot understand these facts sadly & for their limited 
exposure on richer side of tamil music on traditional, classical & by 
films. Raja may 
not be interested to learn urdu & hindi to jump into bollywood to try 
there. Raja just for a decade now stands 2nd to raghuman in creativity. I would 
ask why heros from various states dont try their luck in bollywood. Why 
even Kamal & Rajini could not find a constant place in bollywood with 
their 
talents. It is difficult business-wise& nbsp;considering the style of 
living, 
language  & what the society demand in films in that culture 
at that time. 

May be ilayaraja is satisfied
 with what he does at the period when
raghuman is very junior & not in action. Raja is contented with the
money & entertaining tamil fans as far as possible. I believe even
if raja gets more hindi films he wont deviate or cheat tamil fans from
giving best music also to tamil films at later stages in a way of
thanking the soil & his first fans which is not in the case of
raghuman. Like this guy Chord is sick of putting posts thinking himself
as the best critic who learnt all forms of Indian Music, Raghuman is
sick after money forgetting his good old tamil fans who want to listen
to some best tunes even for that few tamil films he is working in.
when fans claim Raja could not do what raghuman did in bollywood they forgot, 
what fans & critics in north claim as the famous A to Z of bollywood 
composers, why such bollywood composers could not step into Hollywood ? Or why 
the 60s, 70s & 80s of bollywood tunes
 could not impress any westerners to use them in Hollywood movies ? Or is it 
possible for them to give some soul 
stirring music in south indian films. Let them find a place 2nd to 
raghuman. But who is 
interested from there to do music down south even they are offered with the 
best deal ? Most of 
them won't be interested by their basic life-style, preference & also 
due to limited 
knowledge on culture & language. Those so-called ace bollywood 
composers were in a situation of could not even dream to take their tunes to 
Hollywood movies or to win internationally. Himesh is a rare case slipped into 
dasavataram which is not soul stirring. Ilayaraja will do more justice 
to dasavataram.
Let us see how raghuman is going to be successful in hollywood movies as
main composer? It is not that easy to satisfy that audience. He is
going to reach 20th year & he finds hard with this creativity to stamp
in hollywood.
 He cannot easily get into that sort of music. Just for
his bits n pieces used there he has not reached the peak in hwd. Fans
claim Raja could not do what raghuman did. but fans forgot the famous old 
& new bollywood composers also could not do what raghuman doing 
now. 1 out of
100 will stand out. 

There is a constant change. This is raghuman era of
music regard to films. After raghumans retirement someone will be
popular ! Friends just because your music knowledge is limited upto that you 
tend to omit the certain facts & become partial. Try to be balanced, be 
truthful before coming to post about musicians & music. There are 
people for every good music & every talented musician means there are 
many good music & many talented musicians as far as INDIA is concerned. 

It is Limited to Film music about Raghuman, the only one in whole india to make 
west have keen interest not just to listen, to
 use & perform his tunes only for a decade now. If you take great 
musicians from Carnatic & hindustani genres they are winning their part 
for many decades performing & spreading its popularity in the West 
without announcements & from where many westerners are interested on 
our culture & learning these genres. Most people who are listening only 
film music are not aware of these things as other genres are out of glamour 
world. As a music lover in broader sense, i am for raghuman when bollywood 
music fans & critics want to pull him down, i am for ilayaraja when it 
is kollywood for raghuman failed to maintain standards here & i will 
speak for the best ever valued traditional genres (carnatic & 
hindustani) when film music lovers ignore them without knowing its values. i 
give due respect to all INDIAN FILM
Composers & all INDIAN MUSICIANS who perform for different genres. VIC.

--- "Chord"
 <purevibz@ .. .> wrote:

Don't make such assumptions. I know a lot about Indian music. None of these 
composers have the range and versatility of ARR and have used these instruments 
in the specific way ARR has. Of course, many have used solo instruments, but 
ARR's specialty relies not just in the fact that he uses them, but how he uses 
them. 

 
--- "Ricky" <rickypc@ > wrote:
  
Buddy...my guess is you haven't listened to any other Indian music then :) 
Haven't you heard Shankar Jaikishan using Accordian in Awara, S.D.Burman using 
Kalyanji's 'been' in Nagin, R.D.Burman using harmonica in Aradhana, Jatin Lalit 
using piano in Pehla Nasha, Vishal using guitar in Satya, Anu Malik using 
violin in Baazigar, Shiv Hari using Santoor and flute in Chandni, ....gosh the 
list can really go on and on!!!