This convo began with a very fair comment on field IDs and easily share apps/utilities.
It now moves to an even more fundamental topic, huge community leverage :) VENUE and TRAFFIC Jason Miller is very right, BMCDN currently is a great place to share apps&utilities, check Documents for example on the AR System community (earlier today, I set up the WWRUG Twitter feed on this very community). There are thousands of members there. It's a chicken and egg thing, you will find cool apps/utilities there ... if others in the community posts these cool toys. Go ahead and seed with some dev you've done! LEGAL Now, we get into another exciting topic, legal & licensing. I'm checking that out, and will make sure to have his thread updated. I get your point about SME market. David Easter (my mentor in many areas ;) will drive the best decision. Take care, ~ Matt Laurenceau Senior Community Ambassador, BMC Communities Follow me @Matt_L Skype: matt.laurenceau On 12 sept. 2011, at 18:28, "Meyer, Jennifer L" <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Thank you for posting such good points, LJ & Jason. > > > > We are a very small community, but another issue is the flux of the > community. A small percentage of people in the community have been on this > list for a decade (or longer). A very large percentage trolls the list, but > doesn’t regularly contribute. The remainder of the community have other > “main” jobs and found themselves taking on Remedy responsibilities in > addition to their other work. > > > > Of course, the fact that we’re working on somebody else’s dime **shouldn’t** > eliminate collaboration, but it does restrict it to a large degree. The > contract requirement is also prohibitive. The cost of AR server licenses is > large enough that Remedy is not cost-effective for mom-and-pop operations or > local non-profits, which limits the pool of developers to active government, > public, and large private-sector employees. > > > > Smaller organizations, i.e. those without entire legal departments, use small > AR System competitors. While those are more cost-effective, they don’t have > the full range of features and steady development pace that AR System > provides. Their developers may have more time and inclination to play, but > don’t have the community support to share ideas with. > > > > It would be nice to have a BMC-sanctioned locale to share definition files > without fear of retribution rather than re-inventing the wheel at every > organization. > > > > Jennifer Meyer > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > > > ** > > Jason, > > I think you are correct on the ‘too small’ on the community part. In the > other languages, some middle schooler can go to a garage sale, pick up a > ‘Java for dummies’ book, install tons of free frameworks/tools, and start > producing Java code for free in his bedroom. We on the other hand require a > Server, DB, and most importantly, a CONTRACT. You MUST have a contract > before you can even download an un-licensed version of the server…now > granted, I have done some awesome stuff with an unlicensed server before…so > no real complaints about that…but I wouldn’t have been able to do any of it > unless I was already on contract to do other remedy stuff. You can run > Remedy on free versions of both SQL Server and Oracle…so it’s not really the > ‘cost’ of running a free server…but there is A LOT of setup needed…and it’s > just not ‘inviting’ for people to get into the community. And because of all > of the above, that means that a vast majority of everything developed is done > on someone else’s dime…so unless you have a ‘great boss’, you can’t publish > it on the internet for free… > > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Miller > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > > > ** > > Joe, you nailed it (although I did get Jennifer's joke too). There are so > many communities where you can download code/functions/scripts/etc for other > languages but there isn't one for Remedy; well it is there just not actively > used in this manner. There are a few apps/utilities on the BMCDN but not as > many as I think a lot of us would like to see. > > > > Now to be perfectly honest, I have a few utilities that I have been meaning > to post to the BMCDN for a few years now (the data export one is sad without > runmacro.exe). We have seen arswiki.org come and go. Axton provided the > site for years and there just wasn't enough involvement to keep the site up > (I am guilty too). > > > > I am fearful that the same will happen with ARInside. I see John making > updates when he has some time but can it survive as a one or two person > project? Personally I would love to help out and even installed a compiler a > while back to work on my limited C++ skills. Years, work, new laptop without > compiler, and grade school aged kids later I still have not contributed any > code to the project. > > > > Don't get me wrong, always having sanctioned/paid work (and a family) that > pushes aside community projects is not a bad problem to have. > > Is it that we are all just too busy? > Is it a ratio thing in that we are such a small community compared to > Java/C++/HTML/PowerShell/<insert platform of choice> communities that we just > don't have enough people to contribute a decent volume of projects? > Is it that we cannot share what we build because it was done on somebody > else's time/system? > Would it help if there was an AR MSDN like subscription that we have been > asking for for a few years? > I think this is related to the somebody else's time/system question. I know > I can't afford to develop AR Applications without my employer's resources > (servers, support contract). > Now with today's virtualization, hosted technologies and the Suite Stack > Installer it would be easier than ever to provide this resource. Maybe a > downloadable VM appliance (ADDM anybody?). I understand there are licensing > issues with distributing other companies' software (Windows/MS SQL/Oracle). > Maybe it is time for a MySQL version of AR? :) > Hopefully now that we have a Community Ambassador we can get some of these > things moving. ;-) > > > > Jason > > _attend WWRUG11 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > _attend WWRUG11 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ > > > > E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North > Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties by an > authorized state official. > _attend WWRUG11 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug11 www.wwrug.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
