Wasn't talking politics. But thank u. Was talking about Bain capital buys businesses to run into the ground.
But I appreciate the reminder. > On Jul 29, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Rick Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > ** > Let's keep politics off this list, ok? Plenty to talk about on topic. > > Rick > >> On Jul 29, 2014 11:46 AM, "Brukeste G" <[email protected]> wrote: >> ** >> Bain capital has a relationship with BMC? Mitt Romney? Hmmmmm >> >>> On Jul 29, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Ken Pritchard <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> I’ve been reading this thread for the better part of 2 days now without >>> commenting. While I agree with the type of conference y’all are looking >>> for, don’t forget what ‘we’ve’ allowed it to be called. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think part of the disconnect is that it’s always been referred to as a >>> ‘user group’ conference, not a developers conference. Sounds like now that >>> BMC-Bain has regained control of it they are treating it more strictly as a >>> ‘user’ (as in customer) conference. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynn Larsen >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:06 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: ENGAGE >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Do you really think that of the 20-some sessions still to be decided upon, >>> that they will be focused on Remedy with the direction the rest of the >>> agenda/sessions are going? >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:12 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: ENGAGE >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> I think that was the attempt with the 'Subject to change' disclaimer at the >>> bottom....but I personally dismissed that as 'we are covering our legal >>> buts incase someone that's presenting pulls out', not 'we aren't finished >>> publishing all of the sessions yet' >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jason Miller <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> So could a simple "here is what we have so far and we still have some to >>> add" have avoided all of this? My guess is we all would have been a bit >>> quieter, at least until it was all published. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:00 AM, LJ LongWing <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Well....one 'plus' that I've seen so far is that they say that the catalog >>> that we are looking at is a bit 'short'...meaning that they have stated >>> it's only 85% done....so...I did the math...that means there are about >>> another 20ish sessions still to be decided upon....will that be enough? >>> I'm not sure...I read on communities that most of the 'undecided' are in >>> the track that Remedy resides in...so it's possible that they will be >>> adding sessions of a technical nature, but only time will tell. >>> Additionally, I saw that the 'early bird' timeframe was extended to Aug >>> 15....so that gives people more time once the sessions are more >>> finalized....I'm still watching the situation as it unfolds....we will see >>> what we end up with at the end. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jason Miller <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> I think what we see is the difference between a Remedy conference and a BMC >>> conference (duh). To expand on that obvious statement what we know and >>> love is World Wide Remedy Users Group (WWRUG), Remedy is in the name. BMC >>> cannot cater to the Remedy community alone and neglect their other products >>> (well they could but would probably upset the customers of the other >>> products). The conference that would have avoided all of this criticism >>> from us likely would have looked very lopsided to non-Remedy customers and >>> I imaging there were discussions around these points and a conscious >>> decision that the conference had to be balanced. >>> >>> >>> >>> Claire pointed out they hired a company to help with the conference. Since >>> most of my IT career has been centered around Remedy I have not been to >>> other corporate conferences however my guess is they look pretty similar to >>> ENGAGE. BMC and the company helping them plan is likely using the usual >>> format for a corporate event. Unfortunately we have been spoiled and are >>> use to getting the conference we want and that is designed to provide the >>> maximum value for Remedy customers. BMC is not and cannot provide that for >>> us under the BMC-wide umbrella. >>> >>> >>> >>> With that said I am still disappointed. I feel they could have >>> incorporated more technical, customer presentations and AR-specific content >>> while using some of the lessons learned from the past 5 years of WWRUG and >>> still providing a pretty balanced event (i.e. add some of the aspects we >>> love to other product areas instead of taking away from Remedy). >>> >>> >>> >>> A BMC event and WWRUG have two different focuses and I can't imagine them >>> ever being close to the same thing. The corporate run Remedy User Groups >>> that we loved were hosted by Remedy Corp (ok so I never attended one of >>> those but I know you guys and gals loved them). Of course those catered to >>> Remedy people, that was their only product family to focus on. >>> >>> >>> >>> So I think the question is can a North America WWRUG and BMC corporate >>> event exist in the same year? I suspect with BMC back in the corporate >>> event game they will not provide nearly the same level of sponsorship they >>> have for previous WWRUGs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Scott Philben <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> I'm not sure I could get to 5-6. 3-4 maybe. What would I do with the rest >>> of my time? >>> >>> >>> >>> When I heard this was happening, I was excited. BMC was running it! The >>> real insiders! There would be more discussions on the other BMC tools! All >>> the good stuff all in one place! Adventure and excitement! >>> >>> >>> >>> Now that I have seen the agenda, it's all about meh... Where are the >>> technical discussions for us who don't need hand holding and the "New >>> Remedy User Experience?" Where are the "ways to use Remedy that you never >>> thought of?" How about Misi and seeing how he integrates things with >>> Remedy? Where are the little customers and big customers explaining how >>> they do things with Remedy? >>> >>> >>> >>> This sounds like a lot of Marketing types there to sell me stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>> And stop pushing The Cloud! >>> >>> -scott >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 29, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Rick Cook <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Looks like they updated the session times to more reasonable values. Some >>> of that may be time zone adjustment, but at least evenings now look free >>> for networking and other activities. >>> >>> I know that not everyone is ready for the advanced stuff, and that we need >>> sessions at all levels. But I see maybe 5-6 breakouts I would definitely >>> attend. The rest are kinda meh... >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Warren R. Baltimore II >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> err...that would be San Jose.... heh...still haven't had my full load of >>> coffee..... >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Warren R. Baltimore II >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> First off, as to Claire's earlier comment, I am truly flattered..... >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure why anyone would have thought this to be any different then it >>> has ALWAYS been when BMC ran this thing. I still remember giving an ear >>> full to some poor staffer in San Diego back in 2006 (I think) about how >>> upset I was that it was nothing more then one long marketing tool for the >>> ITSM suite.... At the time, all I did was development, and it was pretty >>> darn evident that BMC no longer wished to sell the ARSystem as a >>> development platform. >>> >>> >>> >>> I've not been able to get to many of these since I left the University of >>> Washington (it is so much harder to convince a profit motivated manager of >>> these things then a University manager!), and I had hoped to go to this, >>> but now I'm not so sure.... Maybe I'm just better off finding a good class >>> somewhere.... >>> >>> >>> >>> BMC, you really need to start listening to this group. They are some of >>> your Remedy products biggest fans. We can can be a bit of handful >>> sometimes, but we're worth it! Stop treating this as a way to just sell >>> your products. We've already bought into that. Instead, think about how >>> YOU can help US to better leverage these products. Do a better job in >>> running this event. Perhaps give it to the education and engineering/R&D >>> departments, and leave the sales staff at home! >>> >>> >>> >>> *sigh* >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Tami Palacky <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> too funny Jason!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> seems they are going back to how BMC used to run the conference. too bad >>> there is no more WWRUG. i guess the guys got burned out. :( >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 28, 2014 7:57:42 PM UTC-4, Jason Miller wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> By doing our own thing we would simply be creating an overlay on ENGAGE. >>> Once we create the overlay we can customize and changes by BMC won't have >>> an impact. Except if they delete one of us in base, that will have an >>> impact on the overlay. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Tauf Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Not if you do it from a hotel room though? I'll pitch in for a suite. We >>> can set up a google hang out and a live tweet session. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:40 PM, laurent matheo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Yeah I proposed this... Somekind of "genius bar" or something, maybe panel >>> like, or small breakouts or something... >>> Could have been setup like a "mini community onsite" using Matt for this... >>> >>> Maybe we could squat the booth location for this when it's not attended? If >>> it's like wwrug, it's just opened for lunch / not a long time, we could use >>> the place to do some small groups about a theme or something? >>> >>> So, a mix between the "bird & the feathers", "genius bar", "community" and >>> whatever? >>> >>> We could even stream it live on the net so the others could see it (that >>> could be a problem with BMC rules though). >>> >>> >>> On 29 Jul, 2014,at 01:36 AM, Tauf Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> I was willing to sponsor a technical/learning lab at the conference. >>> Reached out to numerous people. Deaf ears. Oh well... I'm still going. Love >>> networking (by networking I mean drinking) with you guys if you decide to >>> go. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Tauf Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> In browsing through the sessions and speakers, the title of unnamed speaker >>> pretty much sums up my assessment of the catalog: Lead Technical Marketing >>> Consultant >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:31 PM, laurent matheo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> The evening is still there, Tuesday from 6 to 8 PM: >>> http://www.eventmgmt.aimia.com/events/bmc-engage-2014/custom-20-2bc888d975f2496db5d3f819b9735209.aspx >>> >>> But that's weird... Since breakouts continue from 6 to 9 PM on tuesday... >>> So or you go stalk the Engineers (and potentially miss 2 breakouts), or you >>> attend the breakouts (and miss the candy)? >>> >>> >>> On 29 Jul, 2014,at 01:26 AM, Rick Cook <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> And with so many evening sessions, where does the Evening with Engineering >>> or the other evening activities go? Will they even have them? >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2014 4:24 PM, "Jason Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Not impressed. My first impress is welcome back BMC Marketing World. We >>> haven't missed you all these years. Maybe I need to just let it soak in >>> for a day or two?.?.?. >>> >>> >>> >>> Unless I am overlooking something it seems there are very few presentations >>> by customers. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Sanford, Claire >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Just shaking my head… >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of laurent matheo >>> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 5:32 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: ENGAGE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> It seems the list is on now: >>> http://bmc.g2planet.com/bmcengage2014/event_agenda >>> >>> >>> On 29 Jul, 2014,at 12:25 AM, "Sanford, Claire" >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> You are certainly trusting Terry! >>> >>> >>> >>> I’ll wait for the agenda and hope they extend the early bird rate. I can >>> see it now… >>> >>> ME: Hi Mr. Director, please spend thousands of dollars for me to be gone >>> for almost a week for a conference where we have no idea what the content >>> is. There is an early bird discount!!! >>> >>> DIR: Come back when you have an agenda and a firm grasp on what you >>> sessions are going to attend AND how much you are going to spend. >>> >>> >>> >>> ME: Big Sigh… >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >>> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 4:52 PM >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject:Re: ENGAGE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Is that like the "good faith" deposit at a car dealer? Say goodbye to that >>> $75! Hehe >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Terry Bootsma <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> I believe early bird pricing expires July 31st. So, if the agenda is out >>> today or tomorrow, that is just "under the wire". >>> >>> >>> >>> However, I had to make a call last week, so I registered and paid for the >>> conference with the understanding that I could de-register up to a certain >>> date with a $75.00 "admin" fee. Well, we'll see about that. :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynn Larsen >>> >>> >>> Sent: July-28-14 5:03 PM >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject:Re: ENGAGE >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> I’m glad I’m not alone in the trying to get approval for a conference that >>> we have no idea what the content is… There should not be “early bird” >>> pricing that expires before the detailed agenda is even published, in my >>> opinion. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire >>> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:55 PM >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject:Re: ENGAGE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> They missed one mark… in order to get a room you have to go through their >>> conference desk. We are adults. We should be able to make our own >>> reservations. >>> >>> If the conference is more “sales” than technical, there is no way I can get >>> approval. I’ll be disappointed if they go back to the way it was before it >>> became WWRUG! >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jason Miller >>> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:51 PM >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject:Re: ENGAGE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> I agree that our WWRUG friends are much better at communicating and giving >>> people the information they need to decide, get approvals and make travel >>> arrangements than BMC. Let's just hope they don't completely miss the mark >>> on this conference. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:47 AM, David Boylan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I still haven't seen much of what is being presented other that lots of >>> marketing. >>> >>> Is this even worth going to? >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org >>> "Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years" >>> >>> >>> >>> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ >>> >>> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Note: This e-mail and any attachments may be privileged and confidential >>> and protected from disclosure. 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