Bain capital has a relationship with BMC? Mitt Romney? Hmmmmm > On Jul 29, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Ken Pritchard <[email protected]> wrote: > > ** > I’ve been reading this thread for the better part of 2 days now without > commenting. While I agree with the type of conference y’all are looking for, > don’t forget what ‘we’ve’ allowed it to be called. > > I think part of the disconnect is that it’s always been referred to as a > ‘user group’ conference, not a developers conference. Sounds like now that > BMC-Bain has regained control of it they are treating it more strictly as a > ‘user’ (as in customer) conference. > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynn Larsen > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: ENGAGE > > ** > Do you really think that of the 20-some sessions still to be decided upon, > that they will be focused on Remedy with the direction the rest of the > agenda/sessions are going? > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: ENGAGE > > ** > I think that was the attempt with the 'Subject to change' disclaimer at the > bottom....but I personally dismissed that as 'we are covering our legal buts > incase someone that's presenting pulls out', not 'we aren't finished > publishing all of the sessions yet' > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jason Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > So could a simple "here is what we have so far and we still have some to add" > have avoided all of this? My guess is we all would have been a bit quieter, > at least until it was all published. > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:00 AM, LJ LongWing <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Well....one 'plus' that I've seen so far is that they say that the catalog > that we are looking at is a bit 'short'...meaning that they have stated it's > only 85% done....so...I did the math...that means there are about another > 20ish sessions still to be decided upon....will that be enough? I'm not > sure...I read on communities that most of the 'undecided' are in the track > that Remedy resides in...so it's possible that they will be adding sessions > of a technical nature, but only time will tell. Additionally, I saw that the > 'early bird' timeframe was extended to Aug 15....so that gives people more > time once the sessions are more finalized....I'm still watching the situation > as it unfolds....we will see what we end up with at the end. > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jason Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > I think what we see is the difference between a Remedy conference and a BMC > conference (duh). To expand on that obvious statement what we know and love > is World Wide Remedy Users Group (WWRUG), Remedy is in the name. BMC cannot > cater to the Remedy community alone and neglect their other products (well > they could but would probably upset the customers of the other products). > The conference that would have avoided all of this criticism from us likely > would have looked very lopsided to non-Remedy customers and I imaging there > were discussions around these points and a conscious decision that the > conference had to be balanced. > > Claire pointed out they hired a company to help with the conference. Since > most of my IT career has been centered around Remedy I have not been to other > corporate conferences however my guess is they look pretty similar to ENGAGE. > BMC and the company helping them plan is likely using the usual format for a > corporate event. Unfortunately we have been spoiled and are use to getting > the conference we want and that is designed to provide the maximum value for > Remedy customers. BMC is not and cannot provide that for us under the > BMC-wide umbrella. > > With that said I am still disappointed. I feel they could have incorporated > more technical, customer presentations and AR-specific content while using > some of the lessons learned from the past 5 years of WWRUG and still > providing a pretty balanced event (i.e. add some of the aspects we love to > other product areas instead of taking away from Remedy). > > A BMC event and WWRUG have two different focuses and I can't imagine them > ever being close to the same thing. The corporate run Remedy User Groups > that we loved were hosted by Remedy Corp (ok so I never attended one of those > but I know you guys and gals loved them). Of course those catered to Remedy > people, that was their only product family to focus on. > > So I think the question is can a North America WWRUG and BMC corporate event > exist in the same year? I suspect with BMC back in the corporate event game > they will not provide nearly the same level of sponsorship they have for > previous WWRUGs. > > Jason > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Scott Philben <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > I'm not sure I could get to 5-6. 3-4 maybe. What would I do with the rest of > my time? > > When I heard this was happening, I was excited. BMC was running it! The real > insiders! There would be more discussions on the other BMC tools! All the > good stuff all in one place! Adventure and excitement! > > Now that I have seen the agenda, it's all about meh... Where are the > technical discussions for us who don't need hand holding and the "New Remedy > User Experience?" Where are the "ways to use Remedy that you never thought > of?" How about Misi and seeing how he integrates things with Remedy? Where > are the little customers and big customers explaining how they do things with > Remedy? > > This sounds like a lot of Marketing types there to sell me stuff. > > And stop pushing The Cloud! > > -scott > > > On Jul 29, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Rick Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > ** > Looks like they updated the session times to more reasonable values. Some of > that may be time zone adjustment, but at least evenings now look free for > networking and other activities. > > I know that not everyone is ready for the advanced stuff, and that we need > sessions at all levels. But I see maybe 5-6 breakouts I would definitely > attend. The rest are kinda meh... > > Rick > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Warren R. Baltimore II > <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > err...that would be San Jose.... heh...still haven't had my full load of > coffee..... > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Warren R. Baltimore II > <[email protected]> wrote: > First off, as to Claire's earlier comment, I am truly flattered..... > > I'm not sure why anyone would have thought this to be any different then it > has ALWAYS been when BMC ran this thing. I still remember giving an ear full > to some poor staffer in San Diego back in 2006 (I think) about how upset I > was that it was nothing more then one long marketing tool for the ITSM > suite.... At the time, all I did was development, and it was pretty darn > evident that BMC no longer wished to sell the ARSystem as a development > platform. > > I've not been able to get to many of these since I left the University of > Washington (it is so much harder to convince a profit motivated manager of > these things then a University manager!), and I had hoped to go to this, but > now I'm not so sure.... Maybe I'm just better off finding a good class > somewhere.... > > BMC, you really need to start listening to this group. They are some of your > Remedy products biggest fans. We can can be a bit of handful sometimes, but > we're worth it! Stop treating this as a way to just sell your products. > We've already bought into that. Instead, think about how YOU can help US to > better leverage these products. Do a better job in running this event. > Perhaps give it to the education and engineering/R&D departments, and leave > the sales staff at home! > > *sigh* > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Tami Palacky <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > too funny Jason!!! > > seems they are going back to how BMC used to run the conference. too bad > there is no more WWRUG. i guess the guys got burned out. :( > > > On Monday, July 28, 2014 7:57:42 PM UTC-4, Jason Miller wrote: > ** > By doing our own thing we would simply be creating an overlay on ENGAGE. > Once we create the overlay we can customize and changes by BMC won't have an > impact. Except if they delete one of us in base, that will have an impact on > the overlay. > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Tauf Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Not if you do it from a hotel room though? I'll pitch in for a suite. We can > set up a google hang out and a live tweet session. > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:40 PM, laurent matheo <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Yeah I proposed this... Somekind of "genius bar" or something, maybe panel > like, or small breakouts or something... > Could have been setup like a "mini community onsite" using Matt for this... > > Maybe we could squat the booth location for this when it's not attended? If > it's like wwrug, it's just opened for lunch / not a long time, we could use > the place to do some small groups about a theme or something? > > So, a mix between the "bird & the feathers", "genius bar", "community" and > whatever? > > We could even stream it live on the net so the others could see it (that > could be a problem with BMC rules though). > > On 29 Jul, 2014,at 01:36 AM, Tauf Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: > > ** > I was willing to sponsor a technical/learning lab at the conference. Reached > out to numerous people. Deaf ears. Oh well... I'm still going. Love > networking (by networking I mean drinking) with you guys if you decide to go. > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Tauf Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: > In browsing through the sessions and speakers, the title of unnamed speaker > pretty much sums up my assessment of the catalog: Lead Technical Marketing > Consultant > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:31 PM, laurent matheo <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > The evening is still there, Tuesday from 6 to 8 PM: > http://www.eventmgmt.aimia.com/events/bmc-engage-2014/custom-20-2bc888d975f2496db5d3f819b9735209.aspx > > But that's weird... Since breakouts continue from 6 to 9 PM on tuesday... So > or you go stalk the Engineers (and potentially miss 2 breakouts), or you > attend the breakouts (and miss the candy)? > > > On 29 Jul, 2014,at 01:26 AM, Rick Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > > ** > And with so many evening sessions, where does the Evening with Engineering or > the other evening activities go? Will they even have them? > > Rick > > On Jul 28, 2014 4:24 PM, "Jason Miller" <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Not impressed. My first impress is welcome back BMC Marketing World. We > haven't missed you all these years. Maybe I need to just let it soak in for > a day or two?.?.?. > > Unless I am overlooking something it seems there are very few presentations > by customers. > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Sanford, Claire > <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Just shaking my head… > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of laurent matheo > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 5:32 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: ENGAGE > > > > ** > It seems the list is on now: > http://bmc.g2planet.com/bmcengage2014/event_agenda > > > On 29 Jul, 2014,at 12:25 AM, "Sanford, Claire" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > You are certainly trusting Terry! > > I’ll wait for the agenda and hope they extend the early bird rate. I can > see it now… > > ME: Hi Mr. Director, please spend thousands of dollars for me to be gone for > almost a week for a conference where we have no idea what the content is. > There is an early bird discount!!! > > DIR: Come back when you have an agenda and a firm grasp on what you sessions > are going to attend AND how much you are going to spend. > > ME: Big Sigh… > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 4:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject:Re: ENGAGE > > > > ** > Is that like the "good faith" deposit at a car dealer? Say goodbye to that > $75! Hehe > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Terry Bootsma <[email protected]> wrote: > > ** > I believe early bird pricing expires July 31st. So, if the agenda is out > today or tomorrow, that is just "under the wire". > > However, I had to make a call last week, so I registered and paid for the > conference with the understanding that I could de-register up to a certain > date with a $75.00 "admin" fee. Well, we'll see about that. :-) > > Terry > > > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Lynn Larsen > > > Sent: July-28-14 5:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject:Re: ENGAGE > > > ** > I’m glad I’m not alone in the trying to get approval for a conference that we > have no idea what the content is… There should not be “early bird” pricing > that expires before the detailed agenda is even published, in my opinion. > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject:Re: ENGAGE > > > > ** > They missed one mark… in order to get a room you have to go through their > conference desk. We are adults. We should be able to make our own > reservations. > > If the conference is more “sales” than technical, there is no way I can get > approval. I’ll be disappointed if they go back to the way it was before it > became WWRUG! > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Jason Miller > > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject:Re: ENGAGE > > > > ** > I agree that our WWRUG friends are much better at communicating and giving > people the information they need to decide, get approvals and make travel > arrangements than BMC. Let's just hope they don't completely miss the mark > on this conference. > > Jason > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:47 AM, David Boylan <[email protected]> wrote: > I still haven't seen much of what is being presented other that lots of > marketing. > > Is this even worth going to? > > > Dave > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > "Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years" > > _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ > _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ > > > > > > > > > > > Note: This e-mail and any attachments may be privileged and confidential and > protected from disclosure. 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