I’ve been reading this thread for the better part of 2 days now without commenting. While I agree with the type of conference y’all are looking for, don’t forget what ‘we’ve’ allowed it to be called.
I think part of the disconnect is that it’s always been referred to as a ‘user group’ conference, not a developers conference. Sounds like now that BMC-Bain has regained control of it they are treating it more strictly as a ‘user’ (as in customer) conference. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lynn Larsen Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:06 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ENGAGE ** Do you really think that of the 20-some sessions still to be decided upon, that they will be focused on Remedy with the direction the rest of the agenda/sessions are going? From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 12:12 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: ENGAGE ** I think that was the attempt with the 'Subject to change' disclaimer at the bottom....but I personally dismissed that as 'we are covering our legal buts incase someone that's presenting pulls out', not 'we aren't finished publishing all of the sessions yet' On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jason Miller <jason.mil...@gmail.com <mailto:jason.mil...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** So could a simple "here is what we have so far and we still have some to add" have avoided all of this? My guess is we all would have been a bit quieter, at least until it was all published. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:00 AM, LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com <mailto:lj.longw...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** Well....one 'plus' that I've seen so far is that they say that the catalog that we are looking at is a bit 'short'...meaning that they have stated it's only 85% done....so...I did the math...that means there are about another 20ish sessions still to be decided upon....will that be enough? I'm not sure...I read on communities that most of the 'undecided' are in the track that Remedy resides in...so it's possible that they will be adding sessions of a technical nature, but only time will tell. Additionally, I saw that the 'early bird' timeframe was extended to Aug 15....so that gives people more time once the sessions are more finalized....I'm still watching the situation as it unfolds....we will see what we end up with at the end. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Jason Miller <jason.mil...@gmail.com <mailto:jason.mil...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** I think what we see is the difference between a Remedy conference and a BMC conference (duh). To expand on that obvious statement what we know and love is World Wide Remedy Users Group (WWRUG), Remedy is in the name. BMC cannot cater to the Remedy community alone and neglect their other products (well they could but would probably upset the customers of the other products). The conference that would have avoided all of this criticism from us likely would have looked very lopsided to non-Remedy customers and I imaging there were discussions around these points and a conscious decision that the conference had to be balanced. Claire pointed out they hired a company to help with the conference. Since most of my IT career has been centered around Remedy I have not been to other corporate conferences however my guess is they look pretty similar to ENGAGE. BMC and the company helping them plan is likely using the usual format for a corporate event. Unfortunately we have been spoiled and are use to getting the conference we want and that is designed to provide the maximum value for Remedy customers. BMC is not and cannot provide that for us under the BMC-wide umbrella. With that said I am still disappointed. I feel they could have incorporated more technical, customer presentations and AR-specific content while using some of the lessons learned from the past 5 years of WWRUG and still providing a pretty balanced event (i.e. add some of the aspects we love to other product areas instead of taking away from Remedy). A BMC event and WWRUG have two different focuses and I can't imagine them ever being close to the same thing. The corporate run Remedy User Groups that we loved were hosted by Remedy Corp (ok so I never attended one of those but I know you guys and gals loved them). Of course those catered to Remedy people, that was their only product family to focus on. So I think the question is can a North America WWRUG and BMC corporate event exist in the same year? I suspect with BMC back in the corporate event game they will not provide nearly the same level of sponsorship they have for previous WWRUGs. Jason On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Scott Philben <sphil...@mac.com <mailto:sphil...@mac.com> > wrote: ** I'm not sure I could get to 5-6. 3-4 maybe. What would I do with the rest of my time? When I heard this was happening, I was excited. BMC was running it! The real insiders! There would be more discussions on the other BMC tools! All the good stuff all in one place! Adventure and excitement! Now that I have seen the agenda, it's all about meh... Where are the technical discussions for us who don't need hand holding and the "New Remedy User Experience?" Where are the "ways to use Remedy that you never thought of?" How about Misi and seeing how he integrates things with Remedy? Where are the little customers and big customers explaining how they do things with Remedy? This sounds like a lot of Marketing types there to sell me stuff. And stop pushing The Cloud! -scott On Jul 29, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Rick Cook <remedyr...@gmail.com <mailto:remedyr...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** Looks like they updated the session times to more reasonable values. Some of that may be time zone adjustment, but at least evenings now look free for networking and other activities. I know that not everyone is ready for the advanced stuff, and that we need sessions at all levels. But I see maybe 5-6 breakouts I would definitely attend. The rest are kinda meh... Rick On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Warren R. Baltimore II <warrenbaltim...@gmail.com <mailto:warrenbaltim...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** err...that would be San Jose.... heh...still haven't had my full load of coffee..... On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Warren R. Baltimore II <warrenbaltim...@gmail.com <mailto:warrenbaltim...@gmail.com> > wrote: First off, as to Claire's earlier comment, I am truly flattered..... I'm not sure why anyone would have thought this to be any different then it has ALWAYS been when BMC ran this thing. I still remember giving an ear full to some poor staffer in San Diego back in 2006 (I think) about how upset I was that it was nothing more then one long marketing tool for the ITSM suite.... At the time, all I did was development, and it was pretty darn evident that BMC no longer wished to sell the ARSystem as a development platform. I've not been able to get to many of these since I left the University of Washington (it is so much harder to convince a profit motivated manager of these things then a University manager!), and I had hoped to go to this, but now I'm not so sure.... Maybe I'm just better off finding a good class somewhere.... BMC, you really need to start listening to this group. They are some of your Remedy products biggest fans. We can can be a bit of handful sometimes, but we're worth it! Stop treating this as a way to just sell your products. We've already bought into that. Instead, think about how YOU can help US to better leverage these products. Do a better job in running this event. Perhaps give it to the education and engineering/R&D departments, and leave the sales staff at home! *sigh* On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Tami Palacky <tpala...@gmail.com <mailto:tpala...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** too funny Jason!!! seems they are going back to how BMC used to run the conference. too bad there is no more WWRUG. i guess the guys got burned out. :( On Monday, July 28, 2014 7:57:42 PM UTC-4, Jason Miller wrote: ** By doing our own thing we would simply be creating an overlay on ENGAGE. Once we create the overlay we can customize and changes by BMC won't have an impact. Except if they delete one of us in base, that will have an impact on the overlay. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Tauf Chowdhury <tauf...@gmail.com <mailto:tauf...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** Not if you do it from a hotel room though? I'll pitch in for a suite. We can set up a google hang out and a live tweet session. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:40 PM, laurent matheo <lm...@me.com <mailto:lm...@me.com> > wrote: ** Yeah I proposed this... Somekind of "genius bar" or something, maybe panel like, or small breakouts or something... Could have been setup like a "mini community onsite" using Matt for this... Maybe we could squat the booth location for this when it's not attended? If it's like wwrug, it's just opened for lunch / not a long time, we could use the place to do some small groups about a theme or something? So, a mix between the "bird & the feathers", "genius bar", "community" and whatever? We could even stream it live on the net so the others could see it (that could be a problem with BMC rules though). On 29 Jul, 2014,at 01:36 AM, Tauf Chowdhury <tauf...@gmail.com <mailto:tauf...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** I was willing to sponsor a technical/learning lab at the conference. Reached out to numerous people. Deaf ears. Oh well... I'm still going. Love networking (by networking I mean drinking) with you guys if you decide to go. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Tauf Chowdhury <tauf...@gmail.com <mailto:tauf...@gmail.com> > wrote: In browsing through the sessions and speakers, the title of unnamed speaker pretty much sums up my assessment of the catalog: Lead Technical Marketing Consultant On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:31 PM, laurent matheo <lm...@me.com <mailto:lm...@me.com> > wrote: ** The evening is still there, Tuesday from 6 to 8 PM: http://www.eventmgmt.aimia.com/events/bmc-engage-2014/custom-20-2bc888d975f2496db5d3f819b9735209.aspx But that's weird... Since breakouts continue from 6 to 9 PM on tuesday... So or you go stalk the Engineers (and potentially miss 2 breakouts), or you attend the breakouts (and miss the candy)? On 29 Jul, 2014,at 01:26 AM, Rick Cook <remed...@gmail.com <mailto:remed...@gmail.com> > wrote: ** And with so many evening sessions, where does the Evening with Engineering or the other evening activities go? Will they even have them? Rick On Jul 28, 2014 4:24 PM, "Jason Miller" <jason....@gmail.com <mailto:jason....@gmail.com> > wrote: ** Not impressed. My first impress is welcome back BMC Marketing World. We haven't missed you all these years. Maybe I need to just let it soak in for a day or two?.?.?. Unless I am overlooking something it seems there are very few presentations by customers. On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Sanford, Claire <claire....@memorialhermann.org <mailto:claire....@memorialhermann.org> > wrote: ** Just shaking my head… From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ars...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 5:32 PM To: ars...@arslist.org <mailto:ars...@arslist.org> Subject: Re: ENGAGE ** It seems the list is on now: http://bmc.g2planet.com/bmcengage2014/event_agenda On 29 Jul, 2014,at 12:25 AM, "Sanford, Claire" <claire....@memorialhermann.org <mailto:claire....@memorialhermann.org> > wrote: You are certainly trusting Terry! I’ll wait for the agenda and hope they extend the early bird rate. I can see it now… ME: Hi Mr. Director, please spend thousands of dollars for me to be gone for almost a week for a conference where we have no idea what the content is. There is an early bird discount!!! DIR: Come back when you have an agenda and a firm grasp on what you sessions are going to attend AND how much you are going to spend. ME: Big Sigh… From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 4:52 PM To: ars...@arslist.org <mailto:ars...@arslist.org> Subject:Re: ENGAGE ** Is that like the "good faith" deposit at a car dealer? Say goodbye to that $75! Hehe Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Terry Bootsma <tboo...@objectpath.com> wrote: ** I believe early bird pricing expires July 31st. So, if the agenda is out today or tomorrow, that is just "under the wire". However, I had to make a call last week, so I registered and paid for the conference with the understanding that I could de-register up to a certain date with a $75.00 "admin" fee. Well, we'll see about that. :-) Terry _____ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lynn Larsen Sent: July-28-14 5:03 PM To: ars...@arslist.org <mailto:ars...@arslist.org> Subject:Re: ENGAGE ** I’m glad I’m not alone in the trying to get approval for a conference that we have no idea what the content is… There should not be “early bird” pricing that expires before the detailed agenda is even published, in my opinion. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:55 PM To: ars...@arslist.org <mailto:ars...@arslist.org> Subject:Re: ENGAGE ** They missed one mark… in order to get a room you have to go through their conference desk. We are adults. We should be able to make our own reservations. If the conference is more “sales” than technical, there is no way I can get approval. I’ll be disappointed if they go back to the way it was before it became WWRUG! From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:51 PM To: ars...@arslist.org <mailto:ars...@arslist.org> Subject:Re: ENGAGE ** I agree that our WWRUG friends are much better at communicating and giving people the information they need to decide, get approvals and make travel arrangements than BMC. Let's just hope they don't completely miss the mark on this conference. Jason On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 11:47 AM, David Boylan <david_...@brown.edu <mailto:david_...@brown.edu> > wrote: I still haven't seen much of what is being presented other that lots of marketing. Is this even worth going to? 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