Permission granted :) Here is another one I use…
ARS development is like a sausage grinder — it is go forward only. (Meaning - there is no reasonable back-out strategy) You put something new into the system (meanwhile users are modifying/entering data) …. and the way ARS works to “back out” — you would have to restore … which means the user’s data is gone. (aka - disaster) So - because there is no real back-out plan — you spend a VERY SIGNIFICANT amount of TIME TESTING — which means - it takes FOREVER to get your SMALL IMPROVEMENT. vs KINETIC (a completely different approach to building/improving a system) — which can be done in a production environment with significantly REDUCED RISK (significant). -John On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Jason Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > I love the Jello analogy. I am totally stealing that one. > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 7:04 AM, John Sundberg < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> ** >> I think if you are a smart person … you could write workflow within the >> first week (even day). >> >> However, I don’t think you should write workflow in the first week. >> >> I would assume you are not a “from scratch” system … but walking into a >> “real system”. >> >> If that is the case — I think it would be 6+ months before you should be >> touching the real system. >> >> These large systems are like big bowls of Jello… you touch it here - and >> it wiggles in 100 other places. (And - it is not easy to know where / what >> you are affecting.) >> >> (You have to be a significantly skilled person to understand what is >> changeable and what is not, and what is the convention for changes, naming, >> etc… — and sadly - it is not until upgrade time that you find you have >> been tying a knot that is one m****f*** to figure out) >> >> >> So - yes - you can pick up the hammer and start swinging soon. Problem is >> - you are in a fine art gallery and it will be a net negative. >> >> >> -John >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Zee Remshab <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> dear listers, >>> >>> say you have +15 years in the IT, many years as DBA/sys admin/web admin >>> + several years on BMC Remedy but only ARSystem and haven't opened yet the >>> ITSM objects in the Dev Studio. >>> How long could that take to get the hand on the ITSM modules and be >>> capable of writing basic workflow ? I don't need an precise figure, just >>> some random comments/thought would be very much appreciated. But no jokes >>> please. >>> Very best regards >>> zee remshab >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org >>> "Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years" >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *John Sundberg* >> Kinetic Data, Inc. >> "Your Business. Your Process." >> >> 651-556-0930 I [email protected] >> www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com >> >> >> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ > > > _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. "Your Business. Your Process." 651-556-0930 I [email protected] www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org "Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years"
