Re: [AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve vs. Stand Up for Asbury

[MarioAPNJ]

AsburySteve, In reference to your comments:   "If you're a Right Wing Tunnel Vision Person NOT willing to Change, or admit you even MIGHT be wrong, then YES, asking you to be Reasonable WOULD turn you Off!"    Did you even bother to read my post "A Liberal's Liberal  On Rent Control" before you started to pontificate again?  If not, cool your jets a bit and give it a shot.  If you did, then reread the last two paragraphs about folks not willing to admit being wrong.  I'll take liberal economist Krugman's analysis of rent control any day over your vague "studies" from all over the Internet.   Based on all the capital letters you use, it's obvious that you are passionate and angry about the issues: nothing wrong with passion and anger--unless they become counterproductive.   Reason doesn't turn me off; scolding rants do.  I am a Democrat who has no qualms about taking on folks who give a bad name to progressive politics. The fierce Ann Coulter, now a best-selling plagiarist, has lots of fans and makes lots of money by preaching to her own right-wing choir; however, she's no fool and doesn't think she'll change the minds of the opposition with her pit bull (pit cow?) tactics.   You can preach to your own choir too, but don't fool yourself about winning any converts.  In several fell swoops, you've managed to attack the motives of "the new people,"  "Stand Up for Asbury," "AP Action," the gay population, and the Jews "who are running Asbury Park"  and whose  "Money Trail goes all the way back to Israel!":  all  "Evil People."   Since you're so fond of cliches, consider this one: "You can catch more flies than with vinegar."   Regarding:   "By the way, you helped to PROVE that Rent Control's successful with that Article from the NY Times!"    Take a reading comprehension course!   Regarding:   "Have a great life, buddy, wherever you live!"   Asbury Park has been my home since 1966 (thirty years before your messianic arrival), so in my book, you're one of the "new people"; and if experience counts for anything, I'm think I'm better at judging the motives floating around town than you are.   Bottom line:  My concern is not rent control, gentrification, racism, or any of the myriad other issues you glibly throw together.  These are social problems whose solutions will demand intellectual rigor, not firebranding.   Your rhetoric does nothing but give liberalism a bad name  and helps to defeat the causes which, despite it all, I believe you really do care about.     ========Original Message======== Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve vs. Stand Up for Asbury Date: 7/23/2006 12:57:21 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on:    Mario, I'm not interested in "Red States", but the City of Asbury Park! If you're a Right Wing Tunnel Vision Person NOT willing to Change, or admit you even MIGHT be wrong, then YES, asking you to be Reasonable WOULD turn you Off! I'm mostly concerned with People being Humane, which is NOT what the "Powers to be" are doing right at this Point!  Just do NOT expect Crime to Lessen here UNTIL Jobs, Affordable Housing and Rent Control are provided for here!  I don't do ANYTHING Illegal at All, but when People can't even house & feed their kids, I don't condemn them for trying whatever they're forced into! Have a great life, buddy, wherever you live! Steve --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Steve, > > Your reply: "Since your reply only attacked, yet had absolutely NO > substance to it, does that mean you are in FAVOR of Attacking the Homeless by > trying to prevent the ONLY real Shelter ever in Monmouth > County from Opening, or Staying Open?"makes my point. > > The substance is this: Your posts are too STRIDENT, read "SHRILL," to > persuade most people. The rhetoric turns people off and results in too many "red > states." > > > Moreover, "...does that mean you are in FAVOR of Attacking the Homeless" > sounds like a non-sequitor Tucker Carlson would make. > > "Card carrying..." when in quotes means figuratively, so please don't "beg > my pardon." > > Also don't lecture me on what I should do or not do to support liberal > causes. You have neither the credentials nor the authority to cross-examine me. > > Bottom Line: Your style hurts any liberal or progressive agenda I hope is > still out there because it alienates people. > > And as Andy Rooney would say, "If you don't agree, please DON'T email me." > > > > > > > > > > > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve vs. Stand Up for Asbury Date: 7/22/2006 > 12:55:57 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: > > > > So, Mario, > > Since your reply only attacked, yet had absolutely NO substance to it, > does that mean you are in FAVOR of Attacking the Homeless by trying to prevent > the ONLY real Shelter ever in Monmouth > County from Opening, or Staying Open? This Shelter is geared towards single > Men, most of whom are not allowed in the other "Shelters" in the County, > what few there are! > > Let me ask some questions, OK? You are a "Leftie", yet you support a Group > that wants People to live, and eventually DIE on the Streets? HOW is that a > "Left" or Democratic Stance? > > Do you LIVE in Do you LI? For how Long? How affluent are You? Do you > stand to Profit from the current course of the Redevelopment? Are you for Rent > Control, if so, WHAT have you done to GET it (Councilman Keady has been > pushing for it, with Virtually NO Public Support). If you are against Rent > Control, then you have NO right even Claiming to be "Left"! Are you aware that > since 2001, approximately 2,500 People (Minimum) have been either forced OUT of > Asbury Park, or forced into Overcrowded Housing, due to a Combination of the > Redevelopment, no Rent Control and NO Jobs being Created for them, as well as > NO Affordable Housing being built for them? > > Go to PolicyLink.org and read everything on Rent Control, then you may > realize that it actually significantly firms UP the Economies of the Cities which > have it over a 20-30 year Periodic, including guaranteeing a Stable and > Regular Low Income Work Force FOR the Business Community. Do you know that? It's > embedded in our 35 Year Go History already! > > Now, let's get it straight, OK? You're FOR Stand Up For Asbury's stance to > take away the LAST Alternative to living on the Street for at LEAST 75 > (Homeless) Residents of Asbury Park? And you're a "Leftie"? I beg to differ, but > you at least SEEM to be a Plant for the Redevelopers! > > And you said "As a "card-carrying member" of the ACLU, the Democratic > Party, MoveOn.org, etc., I want to take issue with remarks made by "AsburySteve" > in recent posts". > > I beg your Pardon, Mario, but ANYONE can carry Cards in their Wallet to make > believe they're something, but what have you DONE to help ANY Liberal > Democratic Cause in the past 10-20 Years? By the way, MoveOn.org, NPR Radio and > Air By the are just as "Radical" Left, or MORE than I am, and have made just > as Liberal/Radical analogies as I ever have on here, yet DO You attack them? > If SO, you don't even RESEMBLE any "Liberal" Thinking at ALL! > > Finally, since I question your capability after your attack, just answer me > one question: > What is your Official PUBLIC Stance on: > 1. Rent Control > 2. Low Income Affordable Housing > 3. Creating Living Wage Jobs and Increasing the Minimum Wage > Implementing the above three Issues/ Programs/ Laws in Implementin would > eliminate 97% of our Problems here, INCUDING the High Crime Rate, Homelessness > and Poor Education (Over @ a ten year period)! > > If you are against those Items, you're as "Right" as they come! > > One last thing .... Try to DO something "Left", rather than to just TALK! > I'll be glad to tell you what I've done over the past 10-25 Years! > > Have a great day, > > Steve > <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--> > <!--[endif]--> > __._,_.___ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___