Rajen-da,
Pl. answer the following posts about conversion of Jews in Israel to Christianity.
Umesh
Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There are examples galore
>of Christian missionaries doing it especially in the
>tribal belts of India. E.g.: When an illiterate person
>is given Crocin (and perhaps for the first time in his
>life) to reduce temperature and then told Jesus Christ
>healed him, that is as simple as fraud.Rajib:All these and much more (including cases of spreading small pox to the Indians in South America) are true, and will be always true.But that does not mean that India will violate the basic human right for religious conversion like political conversion.If Hindus are countering the Christian conversion agenda very successfully (using almost similar tools) in areas of Gujarat, MP and Rajasthan, that is even better. Hindus donot have anything to fear. The Christian missionaries could not make any dent in conversion when they got their free hand for 200 years during the British rule. So what is there for the Hindus to fear?India must allow free religious conversion like political conversion.That is a basic human right.India should allow free religious conversion.India should stop sending ambassadors to the Vatican bowing to the West.India should lift its ban on 'Da Vinci Code film'India should lift its ban on the book 'Satanic Verses'India should abolish recognizing different castes in its Constitution.India should come up with a different new balanced method of recognizing dis advantageous people based on economic factor plus social factor etc for 'reservation'.India should stop all religious favoritism for Haz Pilgrims and not for Buddhist Pilgrims to Tibet, Christian Pilgrims to the Vatican and Hindu Pilgrims to HariddarThen only India will be called Secular.Right now it is not.RB----- Original Message -----From: "Rajib Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "AssamNet" <[email protected]>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:01 PMSubject: Re: [Assam] India protests over Pope comments -BBC> Rajenda,
>
> Indian laws do not allow religions to convert by using
> cheating, fraud or bribing. There are examples galore
> of Christian missionaries doing it especially in the
> tribal belts of India. E.g.: When an illiterate person
> is given Crocin (and perhaps for the first time in his
> life) to reduce temperature and then told Jesus Christ
> healed him, that is as simple as fraud. When a person
> converts because he believes he has found a better
> religion without any such inducements (or fraud) -
> there is no rule in any state which states that is not
> allowed.
>
> Christianity being 2% of Indian population since 1st
> century AD has got nothing to the benevolence of
> Christianity (or their lack of fervor to promote
> Christianity). Let's not forget the catholics wiped
> out an entire country - Spain - of Muslims. Let's not
> also forget the barbarism of the Spaniards in South
> America in the name of religion. If they could do it
> in India, they would. If they could penetrate the
> Indian society in an easier manner they would. They
> just could not cut through the Hindu maze well enough.
>
> Actually Hindus are countering the Christian
> conversion agenda very successfully (using almost
> similar tools) in areas of Gujarat, MP and Rajasthan.
> This I think is being done under the Vanvasi Kalyan
> Parishad (an RSS org). They attract huge funds and use
> those funds to set up schools, temples and others in
> the tribal belt. Given their success, the Christian
> and the commie liberal machinery have started a smear
> campaign against them.
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> --- umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Rajen-da,
> >
> > You always try to make politically correct
> > statements. Let us know how you feel about a
> > Theocratic leader - the Pope - trying to teach India
> > about secularism.
> >
> > Don't give us that we should take advice from
> > anyone and everyone -as long it is good.Do you think
> > India or any country for that matter should send its
> > ambassadors to a nation (Vatican) whose sole purpose
> > is to promote their faith - and stop other faiths
> > from flourishing?
> >
> > Umesh
> >
> > Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >The BJP says that it supports
> > legislation to ban "forced religious conversions",
> > because many Christian >missionaries recruit
> > converts among the majority Hindu population using
> > financial and educational enticements.
> > I fail to understand what is called a "forced
> > religious conversion" specially by the Christians.
> > People can be persuaded, people can be bribed, but
> > people can be forced to convert? What is wrong in
> > Christians giving financial and educational
> > enticements? Why the Hindus cannot counter with
> > better educational enticement? We discussed this
> > before. I think this ban on "forced conversion" by
> > the Hindus is actually a ban on any "conversion".
> > The Christians never forced anybody for conversion.
> > That we have only 2% Christians in India even though
> > Christianity was here since 1 AD goes to prove that.
> > Every religion should have the freedom to convert
> > others to his/her religion.
> > RB
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ram Sarangapani
> > To: AssamNet
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:32 PM
> > Subject: [Assam] India protests over Pope comments
> > -BBC
> >
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> > Quite unsure why India is surprised. The Vatican
> > has over the centuries used force and enticements to
> > convert people of other faiths to Catholicism. That
> > is how the religion has been able to sustain itself.
> >
> > The Vatican's lecture to India is both unwarranted
> > and 'holier than thou' - which it ain't
> > --Ram
> > "India is a secular and democratic country, in
> > which adherents of all religious faiths enjoy equal
> > rights," said Junior Foreign Minister Anand Sharma.
> >
> >
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> >
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5009238.stm
> >
> > India has summoned the Vatican envoy in Delhi in
> > protest over comments by the Pope in which he
> > condemned attempts to ban religious conversions.
> > India's junior Foreign Minister, Anand Sharma, told
> > parliament on Tuesday that the envoy was told in "no
> > uncertain terms" of India's disapproval. The Pope
> > criticised India last week for what he called
> > "disturbing signs of religious intolerance".
> > India's main opposition party, the BJP, has already
> > protested to the Vatican. 'Religious
> > intolerance' Pope Benedict XVI made the comments
> > last week while talking to India's new Ambassador to
> > the Vatican, Amitava Tripathi.
> > Religious conversions are a controversial issue
> >
> > The pontiff criticised India for "disturbing signs
> > of religious intolerance which have troubled some
> > regions of India". He specifically cited attempts
> > by some Indian states to introduce legislation to
> > ban what right-wing Hindus call "forced
> > conversions". India's foreign ministry has now
> > reacted strongly to Monday's papal comments.
> > "India is a secular and democratic country, in which
> > adherents of all religious faiths enjoy equal
> > rights," said Junior Foreign Minister Anand Sharma.
> > Interference Correspondents say that Mr Sharma
> > made the comments in response to opposition
> > criticism that India had not protested against the
> > "grossly unwarranted" statement from Rome.
> > Rajnath Singh, the President of India's main
> > opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) wrote to the
> > Pope on 20 May. "My interference in your religious
> > domain within the Vatican will be unwelcome,
> > uncalled for and will be treated as interference in
> > your religious management and administration," the
> > letter said. Earlier this month, the state
> > governor of India's western state of Rajasthan
> > refused to sign a contentious religious freedom
> > bill, which would have banned people from being
> > converted to religions "against their will". Human
> > rights agencies and minority groups also opposed the
> > bill, saying it was introduced to appease radical
> > Hindu groups. But the BJP-led Rajasthan
> > government, led by the BJP, said that the bill had
> > been introduced to stop religious conversion by
> > means of allurement, greed or pressure. The BJP
> > says that it supports legislation to ban "forced
> > religious conversions", because many Christian
> > missionaries recruit converts among the majority
> > Hindu population using financial and educational
> > enticements. Christians make up just over two
> > percent of India's 1.1 billion mainly Hindu
> > population.
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