Define fraudulent. But the big question that no Hindu will or can answer is HOW can a forced, or fraudulent or coerced conversion stick, unless the 'jaat mora' factor, an essentially caste based Hindu shame, is operative? What prevents the converted from reverting to her original state, once he is explained that she was converted by fraudulent means, or deceived, or coerced?
At 7:25 PM -0700 5/24/06, Rajib Das wrote: >What about fraudulent conversion? > >--- Rajib Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mikeda, >> >> Another gem from the Oracle of Oxom :-) >> >> Rajib >> >> --- mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> Rajen Barua's lucid explanation of what never >> happened-nor will- forced conversion. >> >> BJP OUGHT TO BE ASKED: >> >> "Shrimanji Hindimey Boliye" >> >> mm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ram >> Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,AssamNet >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] India protests over Pope >> comments -BBC >> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:56:50 +0100 (BST) >> >> >> Rajen-da wrote: >> >> *** And in my opinion telling people that there is >> God is the biggest fraud of religion. >> >> I think you made your point amply clear. >> >> Umesh >> >> >> Rajen Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >. Let us know how you feel about a Theocratic >> leader - the Pope - trying to teach India about >> secularism >> >> I think in this case, we are giving him the scope >> to >> teach, and that is why he is trying to teach. Why we >> need to give that scope. >> Religious conversion should be a freedom for >> anybody - aspirin or not- period. >> India is violating this fundamental human right. >> >> Tell me this. >> Why we allow political conversion - by bribing, >> cheating and false promises, and not religious >> freedom?. >> If religion is a way of social life, political >> parties are also ways of our political life. >> Why we allow free political conversion and not >> religious conversion? >> What exactly is the difference between religion >> and >> politics. >> Don't tell me that religion involve with God. >> Is Hinduism is not fraud when we tell people that >> God created four castes? >> Is that true? >> What God has to do it? >> And in my opinion telling people that there is God >> is the biggest fraud of religion. >> >> >> >Do you think India or any country for that matter >> should send its ambassadors to a nation (Vatican) >> whose sole purpose is to promote their faith - and >> stop other >faiths from flourishing? >> >> This is another fraud India is doing. Why in the >> hell India is sending an ambassador to Vatican at >> all? >> Who is telling India to send an ambassador at all? >> India should >> have the guts not to send any ambassador to Vatican. >> Why India not sending an ambassador to Dalai Lama's >> monastaery? >> But that does not take the responsibility away >> from >> India to give freedom for free religious conversion >> like political conversion. If we allow fraud in >> politics, we better allow fraud in religion. >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: umesh sharma >> To: Barua25 ; Ram Sarangapani ; AssamNet >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [Assam] India protests over Pope >> comments -BBC >> >> >> Rajen-da, >> >> You always try to make politically correct >> statements. Let us know how you feel about a >> Theocratic leader - the Pope - trying to teach India >> about secularism. >> >> Don't give us that we should take advice from >> anyone >> and everyone -as long it is good.Do you think India >> or >> any country for that matter should send its >> ambassadors to a nation (Vatican) whose sole purpose >> is to promote their faith - and stop other faiths >> from >> flourishing? > > >> Umesh >> >> Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> >The BJP says that it supports legislation to >> ban "forced religious conversions", because many >> Christian >missionaries recruit converts among the >> majority Hindu population using financial and >> educational enticements. >> I fail to understand what is called a "forced >> religious conversion" specially by the Christians. >> People can be persuaded, people can be bribed, but >> people can be forced to convert? What is wrong in >> Christians giving financial and educational >> enticements? Why the Hindus cannot counter with >> better >> educational enticement? We discussed this before. I >> think this ban on "forced conversion" by the Hindus >> is >> actually a ban on any "conversion". The Christians >> never forced anybody for >> conversion. That we have only 2% Christians in India >> even though Christianity was here since 1 AD goes to >> prove that. Every religion should have the freedom >> to >> convert others to his/her religion. >> RB >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ram Sarangapani >> To: AssamNet >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:32 PM >> Subject: [Assam] India protests over Pope comments >> -BBC >> >> >> Quite >> unsure why India is surprised. The Vatican has over >> the centuries used force and enticements to convert >> people of other faiths to Catholicism. That is how >> the >> religion has been able to sustain itself. >> >> The Vatican's lecture to India is both unwarranted >> and 'holier than thou' - which it ain't >> --Ram >> "India is a secular and democratic country, in >> which adherents of all religious faiths enjoy equal >> rights," said Junior Foreign Minister Anand Sharma. >> >> >> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5009238.stm >> >> India has summoned the Vatican envoy in Delhi in >> protest over comments by the Pope in which he >> condemned attempts to ban religious conversions. >> India's junior Foreign Minister, Anand Sharma, told >> parliament on Tuesday that the >> envoy was told in "no uncertain terms" of India's >> disapproval. The Pope criticised India last week >> for >> what he called "disturbing signs of religious >> intolerance". India's main opposition party, the >> BJP, >> has already protested to the Vatican. 'Religious >> intolerance' Pope Benedict XVI made the comments >> last >> week while talking to India's new Ambassador to the >> Vatican, Amitava Tripathi. Religious >> conversions are a controversial issue >> >> The pontiff criticised India for "disturbing signs >> of religious intolerance which have troubled some >> regions of India". He specifically >> >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >assam mailing list >[email protected] >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
