Ram:
Just out of curiosity:
>Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
*** Is this for a fact or a demonstration of profound ignorance of
modern history? Would you like to explain?
>- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
*** This is another bright question no doubt and someone of my
caliber would be hard-pressed to answer. But since you press the
point , allow me to take a shot ( pun intended):
First off, if 'THEY' were residing in a foreign land, why is
it that India and Indians claim
ULFA is fighting in Assam? Isn't that a contradiction?
I suspect you and JS intended SOME of the ULFA leaders,
didn't you? Assuming that
was what it was, let me ask you this: If it were you, Ram or
JS, in the position of those
ULFA leaders, what would you do? Play STUPID and get arrested
or get erased in some
encounter, real or fake? Is this some kind of a question to
make the ULFA leaders look
like 'cowards'? If it is, do you think it is working?
If you asked me it is a pretty dumb question, really. And
dumber expectation.
>- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
*** Another abjectly dumb question again. These are people fighting
and dying for a cause. You may not agree with their cause. That is
how it works in a violent CONFLICT. That is WHY it is a violent
CONFLICT. One side does not agree with the other and neither siude is
asbout to play dead. Under the circumstances, expecting an antagonist
here to play NEUTRAL ( or UNBIASED to echo the favorite
kharkhowa/desi terminology) demonstrates an absence of an ability to
reason like an adult with ordinary intelligence. But I have trouble
believing that about JS and I know you do not fit that mold. So what
is the explanation Ram?
Anyone expecting an answer to questions like that would merely be
demonstrating their living in denial, unable to accept the widely
prevalent and discernible truths that surround them like so nmany
Indians seem to do.
I hate to see you act so disoriented a desi, Ram :-)
c-da
At 1:00 PM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da
>Why would anyone want to go pick a fight with someone who would
proclaim "---
There is another way to look at it. Perhaps, one could address this
utter frustration with ulfa's antics and the 'ulfa did nor wrong'
crowd. The recommendations from JS may be strong, but there is a
lot of truth in what he says about the unstable situation in the
state created by ULFA - and the fact that the state (as it is
overburdened with other problems) is now having face the
"insurgency" problem.
Why can't ulfa sympathizers answers at least some of the questions
like JS asks/comments:
Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
These and other questions have been asked before - and we have YET
to receive prompt, short (no spin) ansers
So, just Ignoring, the "punishment" as JS demnds is really NOT a
solution. Why can't someone just answer to the questions.
-Ram
On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
*** It could be considered such only when there is even a modicum of
SUBSTANCE or realism behind a charge. Why would anyone want to go
pick a fight with someone who would proclaim "---The only solution
left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA member and put all their
sympathizers behind bars. " It would be like challenging an Indian
who would put a man on the Moon in 2010; or recommend that all those
who do not agree with him be banished to 'koliyapani'; wouldn't it?
c-da
At 11:49 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Hehehe C'da,
I knew that would catch your attention. What JS says maybe an
extreme outburst, probably from someone young - but that is how many
of the younger generation in Assam feel. What kind of answers do you
have for them - or do you think their feelings ought to just brushed
aside?
>But, I will really like to see some die-hard sympathizers put JS
in >his place :) :).
C'da - you are expecting too much out of me.
JS, right or wrong, has made a stand. Now, the ball is in the other
court. People like me will sit this out for a while atleast and see
what happens. At some point, I will come in to defend JS if he needs
it - I have a feeling, he won't. He has done good so far.
>If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be,
?are all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there
would >have been no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.
No, they are not - but on this net, its a rare commodity.
>instead of passing the buck to them despicable ULFA >sympathizers,
who will only make the issue more muddy :-)?
Me? Are they turning to me now? Something is really rotten in
Denmark:), and no, I am not passing the buck here - as I ain't no
sympathazer. I would expect them sympathizers to be up in arms even
if they circle the wagons and make it muddier:)
JS has thrown the gauntlet, now its up to them to pick it up :)
--Ram
On 5/14/07, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Ram:
Saw your comments to Sharma's anguished outburst with his wishful
recommendations and conclusions.
Good that Sharma is letting off steam. But as an informed and
experienced NRA, I would have hoped to see you explaining to Sharma
the profound flaws in his line of thinking, even though I know you
are unable to free your own thought processes entirely from a blind
devotion to the derelict Indian state :-).
If audacity and the willingness to vent -- whatever that might be,
are all it takes to resolve problems of this kind, then there would
have been no problem left in Assam , not to mention India.
So, what is missing?
Don't you think you, as someone more knowledgeable, and more
experienced than obviously Sharma is,; have an obligation to help
him see things in a more mature light; instead of passing the buck
to them despicable ULFA sympathizers, who will only make the issue
more muddy :-)?
c-da
At 6:04 AM -0600 5/14/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Welcome JS to the Assamnet. That was a pretty straight forward
post, if there was one, in these forums in a long time. I welcome
that fresh air of audacity :)
There are a few die-hard ulfa supporters and sympathizers in this
forum too. I am sure some of them will respond to your post, and so
will wait to see waht they write.
--Ram
On 5/14/07, Jyotirmoy Sharma
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
After reading about the endless sequence of bomb blasts that this
terrorist outfit is causing throughout Assam I cannot see how a
sensible person can ever think of negotiating with such a terrorist
outfit. The only solution left, I believe, is to eliminate every ULFA
member and put all their sympathizers behind bars. Those living
abroad and found assisting the outfit in any way should be barred
from entering Assam.
Nowhere in the history of any struggle have the revolutionaries
killed their own people in one hand and talked of fighting for peace,
prosperity and freedom on the other. What is even more surprising is
that there are groups(read PCPIA and others) who have openly become
the spokesperson of the outfit. They are never short in condemning
when the Army kills a terrorist but hardly raise a voice when
innocent people are getting slaughtered in their bomb blasts. Yes, it
is true that the Army has killed and tortured innocent people in
Assam but then the Army wouldn't be there in Assam if we didn't have
the disease in the first place.
Some questions which a pro-ULFA supporter may care to answer:
- Why do they reside in a foreign country, the population of which is
creating economic and social disorder in our state?
- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in their holes when
confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their members
are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
their bomb attacks at public places?
- Why do they plant bombs in public places and kill innocent people?
- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA members, what about all the
people they have killed. Are they going to give the reasons ?
This problem has gone on for too long. If Punjab militancy could be
eliminated I don't see why Assam should be different. Assam is better
off with the freedom we have under India than under these terrorists
called ULFA.
Jyotirmoy
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