>From below - " Just like you all, I too want the conflict to end. But not on
>YOUR ( by this I include all of you who have vented your clueless frustrations
>) terms, a surrender to Indian interests. I would like to see ULFA obtain for
>Assam the rights to re-form its governance to a modern, truly democratic state
>with a rule of law and the right to have full control over its resources."
DD: What you are forgetting is this - not everyone in Assam agrees with ULFA
and its violence for sovereignty, just like not everyone in this net agrees
with you and your incessant insult of the clueless (in your words) . It is
wrong for ULFA to assume that ULFA is the voice of Assam, just as it is wrong
for you to assume that anyone who does not agree with you is clueless.
If ULFA wants the support of the rational people of Assam, let ULFA state
clearly in detail what its " modern, truly democratic state with a rule of law"
is and How " the right to have full control over its resources" will be
utilized to make everyone's life better in Assam.
Everyone has his own idea of an ideal state. We all would like to hear what
the dreamers in Dhaka have to say on the two subjects above. If there is
someone among the netters who is in the know, he is welcome to step in and
provide the details.
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Good to hear from you Chitta.
We ask QUESTIONS in a debate like this to prove or disprove a point, or to
help lead someone to a find an answer or a solution.
JS's post supposedly was about "End this disease called ULFA"
Fine! He had two prescriptions:
A: Wipe out ULFA militarily.
B: Send ULFA sympathizers to prison.
Do YOU , as a mature and informed adult, able to reason; believe those
recommendations would bring about the results of his or your or Ram's or all
the others' ( who have chimed in with an array of responses and posed questions
of yours truly) desires ?
If not, what are your recommendations? What do YOU bring to the table? How do
you see it resolved?
All those questions you all pose at me, designed to make ULFA look like a
bunch of thugs and rogues , not to mention traitors to your Indian-ness defined
by a Hinduttwa inspired animus towards Pakistan or even B'Desh , while
congratulating each other on your intellectual marksmanship with the perception
that you had me on the ropes, mean:
* That you all are frustrated and at wit's end on how to end the
conflict.
* ULFA maybe all things you attempt to portray them as, and even
worse, but HOW
does that solve the problem?
* If you are trying to convince me or Mukul Mahanta that ULFA is what
YOU all portray
them as and convert us to your side to badger ULFA or make
them look bad in
the internet, it still would not solve the problem, would it?
* Taunting is something indulged in by children and immature adults,
when they are unable
to get their way with an adversary. Do you think ULFA will
keel over or disappear
because of such taunting or from the barrage of insults that
you all heap on them?
It is an abject display of clueless-ness, that's all. Don't
you think it is unseemly?
Just like you all, I too want the conflict to end. But not on YOUR ( by this
I include all of you who have vented your clueless frustrations ) terms, a
surrender to Indian interests. I would like to see ULFA obtain for Assam the
rights to re-form its governance to a modern, truly democratic state with a
rule of law and the right to have full control over its resources.
Those of you who are satisfied with your vision of an Assam as an Indian
colony to be exploited by outsiders with a few in Assam sharing in the loot, as
things are today, that is your burden.
There are those of us who are not handicapped by such a mindset, will
continue to speak up for Assam's rights.
Take care.
m-da
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Mahanta da Salute Jyatirmay posed some questions-: >- Why do they reside in
a foreign country, the population of which is creating economic and social
disorder in our state? >- Why don't they fight the Indian Army but hide in
their holes when confronted? Why do human rights become a big issue when their
members are killed and not when innocents are getting maimed and killed by
their bomb attacks at public places? >- Why do they plant bombs in public
places and kill innocent people? >- They seek whereabouts of missing ULFA
members, what about all the people they have killed. Are they going to give the
reasons? You first did your patented qualitative analysis of these
questions to classify them as dumb, dumber and dumbest. But let me assure you,
many people in Assam are asking these seemingly dumb questions. While trying to
work out intelligent responses to these dumb questions, you came out with not
dumb; but some very disgusting explanations. And in the
process you: Justified ULFAs extortion as a form of TAXATION Endorsed the
hobnobbing with ISI and BDesh Jehadis as a STRATEGIC ALLAINCE Defended the
killing of children and civilians as a modus operandi of the CONFLICT. Can
we go back to your intelligent responses to these dumb questions one by one?
TAXATION Try explaining this taxation scheme to those belonging to the
samples I have given below. I am just limiting to few-with little effort I can
post to you some copies of extortion notices (sorry tax advices) also. 1)
This guy from humble background from Abhayapuri by grace of
reservation/education in an engineering college gets a job in Public sector
(OIL-Duliajan). Settles down, gets married and commits his first mistake of
family life-taking an easy PSU provided loan buys a brand new Maruti 800 (it
was late eighties). The happiness was short lived-the new car was whisked away
never to be seen again for Xongothon activities. Served him right for being
materialistic!! 2) Try explaining this taxation to tea tribes who have
to resort to strike every year for timely payment of few thousands of rupees as
Puja bonus where as their employers have to pay millions of rupees to these
outfits. By the way as you can see-the polarization is complete now. These guys
will rip you apart if you talk of independence and taxation. There is no
solidarity-leave alone on the ULFA front but also on the army atrocities on
innocent people as long as people dying are from the other side of the fence.
3) Or to the GMC trained Assamese government doctor posted in Diphu
donating part of his monthly salary to UPDS coffer. 4) Or to this
Assamese teacher in NC Hills (few of the last remaining breed-will be forced to
rush to plain as soon as Dimaraji is claimed) who is visited by Hindi speaking
DHD cadres every month. 5) Or to those contractors who still dare to do
some theeka thukali in Bodoland. By the way is there any
rare instance of this taxed money being used for a purpose like monetary help
to those innocent people killed by armed forces in the name of ULFA hunting? Do
you know of any instances? STRATEGIC ALLINACE Mahanta da you gave a good
justification why some of the ULFA leaders are holed up in BDesh. Strategic
reason-good reasoning! Ram da unnecessarily lambasted you on this. Can I ask
you a personal question? How far will you go on endorsing such spineless
strategic alliance where the voice of the protagonist gets muffled by those
pulling the strings? And if tomorrow they take this BDesh/ISI aided anti-India
stance to extreme and declare that they would like to see Assam as an
independent IRA (Islamic Republic of Assam) asking a segment of squabbling
people forgo their religious independence for the sake of national independence
of Assam. Will you still support them and endorse this as a strategic shift.
Or you have set some limit up to which you will go on supporting
ULFAs strategic alliance and then no further. No it is not a trap question
for you. May be your personal response will give us an indication of importance
the proponents place on various binding identities on which they seek to hold
together the people in an independent nation. On my part personally I would
welcome such declaration like IRA-it will at least remove some ambiguity about
what kind of nation ULFA wants. Secular is no different from what we have now.
BDesh sheltered and ISI supported (no first hand info-just what I read from
newspaper) ULFA can not afford to declare Assam as a Hindu nation. And as it
stands Islam is the most widely practiced religion in Assam if you place it
against the fragmented composite Hinduism practiced in Assam. From what I sense
from your posts, religion is not much of an issue for some of the broad minded
people. Can we do away with this Assamese language bit also and adopt an
international language like Bengali or English? I will
wait for your response on this. CONFLICT Your explanation of violent
CONFLICT was amusing. 18 year old boy strapping bomb on motorbike to kill
himself (accidentally-no official ULFA human bomb till now) and a sixty year
old is your idea of conflict. And who are the victims of this VIOLENT CONFLICT?
The children of Dhemaji and Tinsukiya Bihari!!. We dare not go near Indian
army, so lets kill the poor laborers is that the logic of this violent
CONFLICT ULFA is waging? Lastly I will just touch two of your points
***But, I have often said that if the ulfa or some other group was really,
really fighting for a cause, and with all sincerity, I would be the first one
to at least give them the respect they deserve (even if I do not agree with
their cause). Mahanta da-respect , agreement, disagreement pisor kotha.
What is the cause-independent Assam? Have they shown sincerity to the cause by
removing the abstractness around the geographical limit of the
entity they are fighting for? Have they shown the sincerity to the cause by
spelling out how their independent Asom fits in with Bodoland and Kamatapur of
their teen patti mates of Bhutan camps (KLO and NDFB)? Have they shown their
guts by saying any thing on issues like Bangladeshi infiltration, balkanization
of Assam in the name of territorial councils, or humiliation of Assamese
national institution like AXX in Brahmaputa valley itself? Or we should believe
that ULFA will spell out its policies on all these after the independence is
gained. And till then we should give the respect they deserve for the cause
they are fighting?? But given their martyrdom to surrender ratio, what is the
guarantee that those who are waging this so called struggle will not make a
perfect Volta face tomorrow? *** Surely YOUR support or for that matter of
others in your camp is NOT what ULFA has been surviving all these decades.
Obviously it is from the support of those who you do not see
or prefer not to recognize when you see them. Thus your definition of ULFA's
'sincerity' is quite irrelevant to the resolution of the conflict. IF you and
others are SEEKING a resolution to the conflict, then the question would be
WHAT are you contributing to its resolution? Why Mahanta Da can I ask? Just
because Ram da and his camp members are net savvy you feel they would be far
removed from ground realities of Assam. If you half Ram das age-may be you
will have thousands who have access to net who are based outside Assam but
whose parents , brothers, cousins are based in Assam. The guy may be in Delhi
but his brother may be a sympathizer or victim of ULFA. JB college/JEC trained,
OIL mentored guy may be in Doha earning in dollars (and reading assamnet post
during lunch breaks), but his parents in Sivsagar may be paying the extortion
amount (luxury tax as you may like to say). Things have really changed. Cyber
connectivity does not mean loss of connectivity from
Assam. And for recent immigrants like us-ami jihetu puliye pukhai utha di aha
nai-what we think is not necessarily what we see or surf but what our friends
and relatives and cousins are undergoing in Assam. But things are different
for people like you who seem to be living in a time wrap. I dont blame you.
You left Assam when Bihu ,Durga Puja and Tithis were the only occasions
celebrated in Assam. By the time we left in late nineties-Baisagu, Chilaria
Divx, Me-dam-me-phi, Ali-ai ligang were the in things. And now the latest-have
you heard what they call -Besama? Reply dibo dei!!!! Regards
Chittaranjan Pathak
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