KJD, The problem is many people think that autonomy is just for the taking. They assume, a lot of passion, and sustained demands would ultimately lead to the Center granting them autonomy (just like sovereignty).
It is indeed important for those who demand autonomy (or sovereignty) to show at least their own people how and why they can do a better job than right now. What is the guarantee that things will not be worse than before (now with absolutely no mai-baap to may be keep an eye) ? While I really the idea of an autonomy or at least a bigger say so for states, it does not mean the Center should hand over the affairs of the state from one bunch of crooks to another. The track records have neither been good or even encouraging. For a realistic demand for autonomy, there have to be safeguards that need to be at the least encouraging. --Ram On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:35 PM, kamal deka <[email protected]> wrote: > RS > Just one single fact provided by the attorney general of India enraged > the Supreme Court last IN 2002 : the utter indifference of our states > to good grass-root governance. > > Reacting to a public interest litigation(PIL) on the reported > starvation deaths despite overfull stocks of rice and wheat in the > godowns of the Food Corporation of India, the apex court issued a > notice to the Union government, probably hoping to rap its knuckles. > However, the reply to the notice compelled the judicial bench to > divert its anguish and anger. It expressed shock when told by the > attorney general > that 15 states and Union territories had not prepared a list of > families which fall below the poverty line; the court thereupon issued > them notices telling them to prepare that list within two weeks so as > to ensure that those families could be quickly distributed food from > the public distribution system under a highly subsidised scheme > initiated by the government in New Delhi. > > Take a close look at the callous 15: > > Orissa, Andhra Pradesh, ASSAM, Bihar, Goa, MANIPUR, NAGALAND, Tamil > Nadu, West Bengal, TRIPURA, Uttaranchal, ARUNACHAL PRADESH, > Pondicherry, Chandigarh, and Lakshadweep. > This is the anatomy of state's autonomy. > KJD > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka <[email protected]> > wrote: > > "AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and > meaningful > > FEDERAL arrangement > > could be for others. > > That is the bottom line." > > > > ++++ I agree with your bottom line and I have been saying the same > thing in the > > net for a long time. Now we can breathe easier, SOVEREIGNTY is not your > slogan > > anymore. :-) > > I totally support if some parliamentarians make the demand for > incorporation of > > Autonomy into the Indian constitution. Is there someone who will risk > that? > > Someone from Assam or J&K to make some noise in Loksabha? If it fails > first > > time, try another time, then another .............? As far as I know no > one has > > tried it yet. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 11:38:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > > >>I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush are > >>you ? :-). > > > > **** It is not a broad-brushing based on small or isolated examples. It > is the > > NORM, the > > prevailing condition. Do you disagree? > > > >>In fact, when people demand a correction > >>(as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such > >>participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. > > > > *** So, is it something NEW? That has not been tried or done before? > > But what has changed? > > > > > > Participation YES, but that is an all encompassing truism. Like the truth > shall > > prevail. > > Or honesty is the best policy. Question is HOW, WHEn, WHO? The Devil > here is in > > the details. > > > > > > What is OBVIOUS is that India does not have, it cannot muster the > POLITICAL will > > to CHANGE things. It cannot if it tried. It is TOO fRACTURED, it is TOO > > disparate. > > It tries the one size fits all approach, and gets nowhere. It will get > nowhere. > > > > That is why it is paramount that the disparate peoples organize into > smaller > > entities and > > > > devise ways to manage their destinies , to be RESPONSIVE to their unique > needs, > > WITHOUT > > being held to ransom by far-flung forces that have NO DESIRE or ABILITY > to deal > > with THEIR > > specific needs. > > > > AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and > meaningful > > FEDERAL arrangement > > could be for others. > > > > That is the bottom line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > > > >> C'da, > >> > >>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of > >> investigating, adjudicating > >>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the > >> good. > >> > >> Actually, I didn't miss it, just thought it is a given. > >> > >> Just enforcement too is not enough - the court systems are over > burdened, > >> and so are the good cops. > >> > >>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think > that > >> is how it IS, others think > >>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be so, > but > >> have no faith at all that things > >>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up > thinking > >> and believing that > >>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself > after > >> they performed the > >>> rituals of elekshuns. > >> > >> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush > are > >> you ? :-). In fact, when people demand a correction > >> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such > >> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. > >> > >> --Ram > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of > >>> investigating, adjudicating > >>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the > >>> good. > >>> > >>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think > that > >>> is how it IS, others think > >>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be so, > but > >>> have no faith at all that things > >>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up > thinking > >>> and believing that > >>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself > after > >>> they performed the > >>> rituals of elekshuns. When it does not, they whine and moan. But they > also > >>> need to LIVE, make a living. > >>> And they know ALL too well, that it is only ONE life to live. > >>> > >>> So what is your magic bullet for fixing thins. Is there ant y? > >>> > >>> Or could it be that a whole slew of things have to be done, over time, > to > >>> turn things around. > >>> > >>> And WHO will do that? WHEN? Has it started. Will it ever? > >>> > >>> If it has not even started, how could it be started? If it has, where, > >>> what, how? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >>> > >>>> C'da, > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for fwding this. Really good - just loved it. > >>>> > >>>>> Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it to the WORST of > them > >>>> all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint everyone with the same > brush. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> But let's look at it from Tiwari's angle: Everywhere he looks, there > is > >>>> corruption - it's only a matter of degrees. While one might argue > that a > >>>> whole set of corrupt leaders are leading (and forcing) an easily > >>> corruptible > >>>> mass, such that corruption has become a way of life, and no longer an > >>>> exception, but the rule - it must only be the fault of these > leaders.... > >>>> > >>>> It does take two to tango. > >>>> > >>>> In the end, it all boils down to : do you pay Rs. 500 extra, and catch > >>> your > >>>> flight back to the US, or do you stand your ground, and hold on to > those > >>>> ideals, and maybe miss that flight. > >>>> I would catch that flight :-), > >>>> and still use the broad brush & blame all - bribers, and the bribees > :-) > >>>> > >>>> --Ram > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I loved this one. Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it > to > >>>>> the WORST of them all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint > everyone > >>> with > >>>>> the same brush. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> cm :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bugs-eye-view/entry/mr-kalmadi-s-fake-statement > >>>t > >>>>> Mr Kalmadi's (fake) statementAlok Tiwari, 14 August 2010, 02:53 PM > IST > >>>>> Last night I dreamt I was appointed the speechwriter and propagandist > >>> for > >>>>> Commonwealth Games Organising Committee chief Suresh Kalmadi. The > >>>>> appointment happened through a dubious process the details of which I > >>> shall > >>>>> not bore you with. It was for an obscene amount of money paid into my > >>>>> numbered Swiss bank account. As one of my first assignments, I wrote > the > >>>>> following statement for Mr Kalmadi: > >>>>> > >>>>> My fellow citizens, > >>>>> > >>>>> Over the last few weeks, I have read and watched a series of reports > >>> about > >>>>> corruption in the organizing of Commonwealth Games. It has pained me > no > >>> end. > >>>>> Some of those things I have tried to explain but what has shocked me > is > >>> the > >>>>> demand for my exit. Each day there is a new disclosure and the chorus > >>> begins > >>>>> again. Therefore, I decided to confront the question head on. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes, corruption has taken place in holding of the games. Trails of > quite > >>> a > >>>>> few scandals lead right up to my door. So I will not deny it. But > what > >>> is so > >>>>> surprising about it? What did I do that had not been done before? To > see > >>> the > >>>>> outpourings of outrage everywhere, it would appear Indians are seeing > >>>>> corruption happen for the first time. Come on, let us shed that garb > of > >>>>> innocence. > >>>>> > >>>>> Please come with me to the collectorate of any of our nearly 450 > >>> districts. > >>>>> Each one presided over by an IAS officer, the best and the brightest > >>> among > >>>>> us. Here you find people in their thousands waiting for such > commonplace > >>>>> things as domicile and caste certificates. There are contractors > waiting > >>> for > >>>>> permits to mine materials such as boulders and gravel. My contractor > >>> friend > >>>>> tells me it takes 18 approvals to get one permit. Please try to get > just > >>> one > >>>>> of them without giving a bribe or using a big name. The same goes for > >>> each > >>>>> certificate. > >>>>> > >>>>> I could take you to the secretariat of each of our 30-odd states. Or > to > >>>>> ministries in New Delhi where even bigger deals are made. The story > will > >>> be > >>>>> repeated on a progressively larger scale. Let us travel to any of the > >>> RTO > >>>>> offices. I dare you to have a vehicle registered or transferred, or > just > >>> pay > >>>>> your tax without going through a tout or paying someone. Why, most of > us > >>>>> have driving licences. I ask each one of you to keep your hand on > your > >>> heart > >>>>> and ask whether you got it by honestly appearing for a test or gave a > >>> small > >>>>> fee to someone to get it for you. > >>>>> > >>>>> I also want you remember the last time you were booked for jumping a > >>>>> traffic signal or wrongly parking your car. Did you quietly pay your > >>> fine or > >>>>> tried to settle the matter with the cop for a lower amount? Please > get > >>> me a > >>>>> birth certificate from your local municipal office in a > straightforward > >>>>> manner. I could say the same about courts but for the risk of being > >>> hauled > >>>>> up for contempt. I shall still suggest that you spend a day in the > court > >>>>> complex of any district and check out the exemplary honesty and > >>> integrity > >>>>> with which everybody from peon to lawyers to judges work there. Let > us > >>> then > >>>>> go to a PWD or an irrigation department office of your choice and try > to > >>>>> find a road or a dam built with complete honesty. I could go on. But > you > >>> get > >>>>> the drift, right? > >>>>> > >>>>> Somebody has thrown a CAG report on my face. Poor CAG has been > writing > >>> such > >>>>> reports by the dozens about every department of every government at > >>> every > >>>>> level. I am yet to discover their utility other than providing > >>> particularly > >>>>> untalented reporters a means to live another day. The toilet paper in > my > >>>>> bathroom finds better use than those reports. It is the same with > CVC. > >>>>> > >>>>> And, ah, the media… How can I forget my friends there? Please ask > them > >>>>> about the increasingly blurred line between advertising and > commercials > >>> so > >>>>> that readers do not know what is paid for and what is not. What > >>> editorial > >>>>> integrity do we see when interviews and features on movies appear > >>> sweetly > >>>>> timed with their release? We had the scandal of paid political news > >>> during > >>>>> elections. I am yet to see an editor or an owner hauled over the > coals > >>> for > >>>>> that or being asked to demit office. > >>>>> > >>>>> No, my compatriots, it is not corruption in CWG that bothers you. If > >>> that > >>>>> were the case, you would have lynched every district collector and > every > >>> RTO > >>>>> in the country by now. You have long made peace with corruption. You > >>> have > >>>>> become part of it when you could. It is brazenness and scale of my > >>>>> corruption that concerns you. That is the novelty element. If my team > >>> had > >>>>> kept itself limited to taking 10 or 20 per cent cut, you would be > >>> looking > >>>>> the other way. The media would find it boring to report that. What > >>> shocks > >>>>> you is that I paid Rs 9 lakh for hiring a treadmill that could be had > >>> for Rs > >>>>> 45,000. If I had done the deal at Rs 50,000 you would be OK with it. > You > >>> do > >>>>> not mind people crossing the line. You mind them crossing it too > openly. > >>> But > >>>>> you forget, friends, that once you allow crossing of lines you cannot > >>> set > >>>>> the rules for it. Also, I have only raised the bar here. Citius, > Altius, > >>>>> Fortius. Isn't that what having games is all about? Give me credit > for > >>> at > >>>>> least that (though I'd prefer cash!). > >>>>> > >>>>> With all sincerity (or what is left of it amongst us), > >>>>> Suresh Kalmadi > >>>>> > >>>>> Now, if only I could get Mr Kalmadi to sign it… > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> assam mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> assam mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> assam mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> assam mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
