All MPs from Assam do not belong to the same party. The same applies to the other states that I was talking about. Are you saying there is not a single parliamentarian who wants to bring up Autonomy? Even if interested parties pay him/them? :-)
________________________________ From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 1:53:59 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI Why would the Assam MPs want a radical change in doing business? Why would the Congress MPs even think of it, nijor xandooh khowa baali tololoi nibole'? On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Dilip Deka wrote: > Dear A.E., > Why only Assam MPs? I heard that several other states would like to have > autonomy as well. Why wouldn't they join the Assam MPs? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dhruba Jyoti Deka <[email protected]> > To: assamnet org <[email protected]>; Chandan Mahanta <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 1:34:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI > > > Either Arms power or Third Country help. > > > > As Assam has limited seats in Parliament, the MP voice willn't work. This >should > > be notebale. > > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:30:58 -0500 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI >> >> **** All you need to do is share YOUR notion of what the problems Assam has >> and >> >> HOW your concept of that AUTONOMY may help. >> >> That simple. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote: >> >>> " Now then, how would one know what YOUR concept of AUTONOMY comes with, if >> or >> >>> when it does? And how could >>> I or a SOVEREIGNTY partisan or anyone else could weigh, evaluate, the worth >> of >> >>> os such autonomy UNLESS >>> you explain, clearly and unambiguously , what YOUR concept of the PROBLEMS >> are, >> >>> for which your idea of >>> autonomy is going to be of any use or would be yet another piece of Indian >>> make-believe, appearances-sake, >>> >>> deception ( note The Day of Deception mourning reported by Uttam this >> morning) ? >>> Again, the Devil is in the details." >>> ---- This Autonomy thing has to be defined by the people who want it. It is >>> not for outsiders to prescribe it. >>> If you haven't, also see my email to Kamal today on a similar subject. The >> govt. >> >>> definitely is not the one to define Autonomy. >>> >>> I agree the devil is in the details. But to get to the details, one has to >> talk >> >>> about the concept first. I feel strongly that the concept >>> must be brought to the parliament by the hens in stead of fearing the fox. >>> Where is the hound to keep the fox away? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> >>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 8:55:21 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI >>> >>> >>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote: >>> >>>> "AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and >> meaningful >> >>>> FEDERAL arrangement >>>> could be for others. >>>> That is the bottom line." >>>> >>>> ++++ I agree with your bottom line and I have been saying the same thing >>>> in >> the >> >>>> >>>> net for a long time. >>> >>> >>> **** Isn't it sad, nobody seems to care :-)? But, *I* try to give credit >> where >> >>> credit is due' >>> when I can. >>> >>> >>>> Now we can breathe easier, SOVEREIGNTY is not your slogan >>>> anymore. :-) >>> >>> >>> **** I thought I could slip my 'about-face', as some of our charitable >> friends >> >>> might characterize it, >>> on the subject. But you steel-trap minded, kharkhowas caught me red-handed. >>> >>> Iinasmuch as I wish not to drive terror into the hearts of my fellow men >>> with > >> my >> >>> SLOGANS or incitements >>> >>> or incendiary rhetoric or even undisguised calls for armed rebellion, here >> you >> >>> are, unfortunately, reading more >>> than you should be. >>> >>> >>> **** WHY? >>> >>> For a very simple reason. All of you far-sighted ones who have waved around >>> 'AUTONOMY' in this forum >>> as A or THE solution for Assam, never, even with repeated challenges from >> yours >> >>> truly, would come out >>> and tell us WHAT the PROBLEM is, in your view, for which you proffer >>> AUTONOMY > >> as >> >>> the solution. >>> >>> Why does that matter? >>> >>> As I explained a number of times before, it matters immensely, because WHAT >> IF >> >>> this amazing AUTONOMY >>> >>> solution of your desires, does NOT include what it must , to deal with >> Assam's >> >>> PROBLEMS ? >>> >>> >>> Then what? >>> >>> Now then, how would one know what YOUR concept of AUTONOMY comes with, if >>> or > >>> when it does? And how could >>> I or a SOVEREIGNTY partisan or anyone else could weigh, evaluate, the worth >> of >> >>> os such autonomy UNLESS >>> you explain, clearly and unambiguously , what YOUR concept of the PROBLEMS >> are, >> >>> for which your idea of >>> autonomy is going to be of any use or would be yet another piece of Indian >>> make-believe, appearances-sake, >>> >>> deception ( note The Day of Deception mourning reported by Uttam this >> morning) ? >>> >>> Again, the Devil is in the details. >>> >>> >>> >>>> I totally support if some parliamentarians make the demand for >>>> incorporation > >> of >> >>>> >>>> Autonomy into the Indian constitution. Is there someone who will risk that? >>> >>> >>> **** That is akin to asking the proverbial fox, if he should be the right >>> one > >> to >> >>> guard the >>> hen-house, wouldn't it? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Someone from Assam or J&K to make some noise in Loksabha? If it fails >>>> first > >>>> time, try another time, then another .............? As far as I know no >>>> one >> has >> >>>> >>>> tried it yet. >>> >>> >>> **** Since the fox will never disqualify himself from hen-house guarding >> duties, >> >>> should the wise-ones who >>> >>> have taken upon themselves to be keepers and masters of the restive >> populations >> >>> , with the fox as their proxy, >>> not propose it themselves, instead of continuing to conduct the world's >> longest >> >>> running low-intensity warfare on its >>> own population ? >>> >>> Does it give you any clues? Should it? >>> >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> >>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sat, August 14, 2010 11:38:21 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] I Loved This One---from ToI >>>> >>>>> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush are >>>>> you ? :-). >>>> >>>> **** It is not a broad-brushing based on small or isolated examples. It is >> the >> >>> >>>> NORM, the >>>> prevailing condition. Do you disagree? >>>> >>>>> In fact, when people demand a correction >>>>> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such >>>>> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. >>>> >>>> *** So, is it something NEW? That has not been tried or done before? >>>> But what has changed? >>>> >>>> >>>> Participation YES, but that is an all encompassing truism. Like the truth >> shall >> >>>> >>>> prevail. >>>> Or honesty is the best policy. Question is HOW, WHEn, WHO? The Devil here >>>> is > >> >>>> in >>>> >>>> the details. >>>> >>>> >>>> What is OBVIOUS is that India does not have, it cannot muster the >>>> POLITICAL > >>>> will >>>> to CHANGE things. It cannot if it tried. It is TOO fRACTURED, it is TOO >>>> disparate. >>>> It tries the one size fits all approach, and gets nowhere. It will get >>> nowhere. >>>> >>>> That is why it is paramount that the disparate peoples organize into >>>> smaller > >> >>>> entities and >>>> >>>> devise ways to manage their destinies , to be RESPONSIVE to their unique >> needs, >> >>>> >>>> WITHOUT >>>> being held to ransom by far-flung forces that have NO DESIRE or ABILITY to >> deal >> >>>> >>>> with THEIR >>>> specific needs. >>>> >>>> AUTONOMY, is the way for such redemption for some. And a true and >>>> meaningful > >> >>>> FEDERAL arrangement >>>> could be for others. >>>> >>>> That is the bottom line. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >>>> >>>>> C'da, >>>>> >>>>>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of >>>>> investigating, adjudicating >>>>>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the >>>>> good. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, I didn't miss it, just thought it is a given. >>>>> >>>>> Just enforcement too is not enough - the court systems are over burdened, >>>>> and so are the good cops. >>>>> >>>>>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think >> that >>>>> is how it IS, others think >>>>>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be so, >> but >>>>> have no faith at all that things >>>>>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up > thinking >>>>> and believing that >>>>>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself after >>>>> they performed the >>>>>> rituals of elekshuns. >>>>> >>>>> I completely agree. But you aren't trying to paint with a broad brush are >>>>> you ? :-). In fact, when people demand a correction >>>>> (as in CWG, or Hemanta Sarma) - things often fall in line. Such >>>>> participation is paramount for a healthy democracy. >>>>> >>>>> --Ram >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What you always seem to miss, is this problem of ENFORCEMENT, of >>>>>> investigating, adjudicating >>>>>> and punishing the corrupt, of punishing bad behavior and rewarding the >>>>>> good. >>>>>> >>>>>> Generations of Indian now have not seen anything different. Many think >> that >>>>>> is how it IS, others think >>>>>> "they are like that only", yet others who know that it ought not be so, >> but >>>>>> have no faith at all that things >>>>>> could ever be changed. Also, generations of Indians have grown up > thinking >>>>>> and believing that >>>>>> they have democracy, the best, and things will take care of itself after >>>>>> they performed the >>>>>> rituals of elekshuns. When it does not, they whine and moan. But they > also >>>>>> need to LIVE, make a living. >>>>>> And they know ALL too well, that it is only ONE life to live. >>>>>> >>>>>> So what is your magic bullet for fixing thins. Is there ant y? >>>>>> >>>>>> Or could it be that a whole slew of things have to be done, over time, to >>>>>> turn things around. >>>>>> >>>>>> And WHO will do that? WHEN? Has it started. Will it ever? >>>>>> >>>>>> If it has not even started, how could it be started? If it has, where, >>>>>> what, how? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 14, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> C'da, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for fwding this. Really good - just loved it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it to the WORST of them >>>>>>> all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint everyone with the same > brush. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But let's look at it from Tiwari's angle: Everywhere he looks, there is >>>>>>> corruption - it's only a matter of degrees. While one might argue that a >>>>>>> whole set of corrupt leaders are leading (and forcing) an easily >>>>>> corruptible >>>>>>> mass, such that corruption has become a way of life, and no longer an >>>>>>> exception, but the rule - it must only be the fault of these leaders.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It does take two to tango. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the end, it all boils down to : do you pay Rs. 500 extra, and catch >>>>>> your >>>>>>> flight back to the US, or do you stand your ground, and hold on to those >>>>>>> ideals, and maybe miss that flight. >>>>>>> I would catch that flight :-), >>>>>>> and still use the broad brush & blame all - bribers, and the bribees :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Ram >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Chan Mahanta <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I loved this one. Only one complaint: Tiwari shoud have addressed it to >>>>>>>> the WORST of them all, not ALL of India. Ain't right to paint everyone >>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the same brush. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cm :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bugs-eye-view/entry/mr-kalmadi-s-fake-statement >>t >> >>>>>> t >>>>>> t >>>>>>>> Mr Kalmadi's (fake) statementAlok Tiwari, 14 August 2010, 02:53 PM IST >>>>>>>> Last night I dreamt I was appointed the speechwriter and propagandist >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> Commonwealth Games Organising Committee chief Suresh Kalmadi. The >>>>>>>> appointment happened through a dubious process the details of which I >>>>>> shall >>>>>>>> not bore you with. It was for an obscene amount of money paid into my >>>>>>>> numbered Swiss bank account. As one of my first assignments, I wrote > the >>>>>>>> following statement for Mr Kalmadi: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My fellow citizens, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Over the last few weeks, I have read and watched a series of reports >>>>>> about >>>>>>>> corruption in the organizing of Commonwealth Games. It has pained me no >>>>>> end. >>>>>>>> Some of those things I have tried to explain but what has shocked me is >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> demand for my exit. Each day there is a new disclosure and the chorus >>>>>> begins >>>>>>>> again. Therefore, I decided to confront the question head on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, corruption has taken place in holding of the games. Trails of > quite >>>>>> a >>>>>>>> few scandals lead right up to my door. So I will not deny it. But what >>>>>> is so >>>>>>>> surprising about it? What did I do that had not been done before? To > see >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> outpourings of outrage everywhere, it would appear Indians are seeing >>>>>>>> corruption happen for the first time. Come on, let us shed that garb of >>>>>>>> innocence. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please come with me to the collectorate of any of our nearly 450 >>>>>> districts. >>>>>>>> Each one presided over by an IAS officer, the best and the brightest >>>>>> among >>>>>>>> us. Here you find people in their thousands waiting for such > commonplace >>>>>>>> things as domicile and caste certificates. There are contractors > waiting >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> permits to mine materials such as boulders and gravel. My contractor >>>>>> friend >>>>>>>> tells me it takes 18 approvals to get one permit. Please try to get > just >>>>>> one >>>>>>>> of them without giving a bribe or using a big name. The same goes for >>>>>> each >>>>>>>> certificate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I could take you to the secretariat of each of our 30-odd states. Or to >>>>>>>> ministries in New Delhi where even bigger deals are made. The story > will >>>>>> be >>>>>>>> repeated on a progressively larger scale. Let us travel to any of the >>>>>> RTO >>>>>>>> offices. I dare you to have a vehicle registered or transferred, or > just >>>>>> pay >>>>>>>> your tax without going through a tout or paying someone. Why, most of > us >>>>>>>> have driving licences. I ask each one of you to keep your hand on your >>>>>> heart >>>>>>>> and ask whether you got it by honestly appearing for a test or gave a >>>>>> small >>>>>>>> fee to someone to get it for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I also want you remember the last time you were booked for jumping a >>>>>>>> traffic signal or wrongly parking your car. Did you quietly pay your >>>>>> fine or >>>>>>>> tried to settle the matter with the cop for a lower amount? Please get >>>>>> me a >>>>>>>> birth certificate from your local municipal office in a straightforward >>>>>>>> manner. I could say the same about courts but for the risk of being >>>>>> hauled >>>>>>>> up for contempt. I shall still suggest that you spend a day in the > court >>>>>>>> complex of any district and check out the exemplary honesty and >>>>>> integrity >>>>>>>> with which everybody from peon to lawyers to judges work there. Let us >>>>>> then >>>>>>>> go to a PWD or an irrigation department office of your choice and try > to >>>>>>>> find a road or a dam built with complete honesty. I could go on. But > you >>>>>> get >>>>>>>> the drift, right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Somebody has thrown a CAG report on my face. Poor CAG has been writing >>>>>> such >>>>>>>> reports by the dozens about every department of every government at >>>>>> every >>>>>>>> level. I am yet to discover their utility other than providing >>>>>> particularly >>>>>>>> untalented reporters a means to live another day. The toilet paper in > my >>>>>>>> bathroom finds better use than those reports. It is the same with CVC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And, ah, the media… How can I forget my friends there? Please ask them >>>>>>>> about the increasingly blurred line between advertising and commercials >>>>>> so >>>>>>>> that readers do not know what is paid for and what is not. What >>>>>> editorial >>>>>>>> integrity do we see when interviews and features on movies appear >>>>>> sweetly >>>>>>>> timed with their release? We had the scandal of paid political news >>>>>> during >>>>>>>> elections. I am yet to see an editor or an owner hauled over the coals >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> that or being asked to demit office. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, my compatriots, it is not corruption in CWG that bothers you. If >>>>>> that >>>>>>>> were the case, you would have lynched every district collector and > every >>>>>> RTO >>>>>>>> in the country by now. You have long made peace with corruption. You >>>>>> have >>>>>>>> become part of it when you could. It is brazenness and scale of my >>>>>>>> corruption that concerns you. That is the novelty element. If my team >>>>>> had >>>>>>>> kept itself limited to taking 10 or 20 per cent cut, you would be >>>>>> looking >>>>>>>> the other way. The media would find it boring to report that. What >>>>>> shocks >>>>>>>> you is that I paid Rs 9 lakh for hiring a treadmill that could be had >>>>>> for Rs >>>>>>>> 45,000. If I had done the deal at Rs 50,000 you would be OK with it. > You >>>>>> do >>>>>>>> not mind people crossing the line. You mind them crossing it too > openly. >>>>>> But >>>>>>>> you forget, friends, that once you allow crossing of lines you cannot >>>>>> set >>>>>>>> the rules for it. Also, I have only raised the bar here. Citius, > Altius, >>>>>>>> Fortius. Isn't that what having games is all about? Give me credit for >>>>>> at >>>>>>>> least that (though I'd prefer cash!). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With all sincerity (or what is left of it amongst us), >>>>>>>> Suresh Kalmadi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, if only I could get Mr Kalmadi to sign it… >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> assam mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> assam mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> assam mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> assam mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> assam mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> assam mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > [email protected] > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
